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babylonsister

(171,082 posts)
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 09:48 AM Oct 2018

JFC. WHY are

political activities forbidden by the county??? I had no idea this was the lame excuse used. The county is responsible for setting up voting, yet prohibits residents from doing so?


CBS News October 18, 2018, 7:15 AM
Dozens of black voters ordered off bus bound for polls in Georgia amid razor-thin governor race


Dozens of black senior citizens in Louisville, Georgia, were ordered off a bus bound for the polls Monday after county officials said the event constituted prohibited "political activity." Activists called it an "intimidation tactic" in a razor-thin race for governor that's become engulfed in a fight over voting rights.

Polls show the contest between Republican Brian Kemp and Democrat Stacey Abrams is basically a dead heat. Civil rights groups are suing Kemp for putting more than 53,000 voter registration applications on hold, mostly from minority voters.

Abrams is vying to become the first African-American woman governor in the South. She has accused Kemp, who currently oversees Georgia's election system, of dropping more than a million voters from the rolls since 2012 and closing polling places in African-American communities.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-senior-citizens-georgia-ordered-off-bus-bound-for-polls-stacey-abrams-brian-kemp/

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. In this case (but ONLY this case) the county may have a point...
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 09:59 AM
Oct 2018

That was a huge campaign sign on that bus parked in front of county offices. Fine point if it was on the street or county parking lot.

Around here, everyone's campaign gets chased off of gummint offices. All gummint offices.

The purging is bad, but more important is how they are going to handle affidavit ballots. There is absolutely no excuse for Kemp not recusing himself and bringing in a genuinely nonpartisan team to handle registrations and voting, but the least they can do is have a bipartisan team with access to existing voter rolls (including those purged) to verify affidavits.

babylonsister

(171,082 posts)
3. I work the polls here, and yes, on election day
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 10:08 AM
Oct 2018

campaigning for a particular candidate close to the voting venues is a no-no. But I have never heard of a 'law' forbidding this prior to an election. And even if it was made up on the spot, someone could have asked them to move the bus the legal distance away...if they wanted to.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. I've seen signs warning of electioneering at county offices during election time, but, yes...
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 10:14 AM
Oct 2018

they could have just said "move the bus".

PufPuf23

(8,826 posts)
4. If we had much of a democracy left, the officials who did this would be
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 10:08 AM
Oct 2018

prosecuted.

What a load of crap excuse.

Hekate

(90,787 posts)
6. The day the Voting Rights Act was gutted & left for dead, Jim Crow Laws were resurrected in all...
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:14 PM
Oct 2018

...their stinking zombie horror.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. What I read before was that buses chartered to take voters to polls have to be registered....
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:16 PM
Oct 2018

for that. I don't why they have to be registered, but what I read said they do.

So the thing is, if you are going to hire a bus to take voters, or if you plan on voting, you have to be familiar with the weird laws regarding that. If there is a voter ID law, you have to get a picture ID, if you want to vote. (Of course, these laws don't present any hindrance to wealthy people. That's why they were passed...to hinder voting by the disadvantaged.)

Then when the Democrats get control of that area, they can roll back those laws. But when the Repubs get control, they'll reinstate those laws.

These voters were going to early vote, so there's time to get them to the polls. Hopefully they'll make it to the polls. People can take them in their cars and vans.

In the old days, one of the Louisiana Gov Longs (Earl Long, I think), went around and picked up blacks to take them to vote, since they were going to vote for him. He won. The blacks, being oppressed and dirt poor, didn't have vehicles or gas. So Long solved the problem.

h2ebits

(645 posts)
8. Election Judge info
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:24 PM
Oct 2018

I have worked as an election judge in Denver, CO for a number of years and performed various tasks involved in the election process. In Colorado, we have established distances from polling places where no political signage or politicking is allowed. That includes shirts, hats, etc., which cannot be worn inside.

One of the locations that I worked at, we had to use a tape measure to configure where to post signs advising same. There are always poll watchers from political parties to monitor each location and make sure that all of the rules are followed. I take my voting rights very seriously. It is the reason that I became an election judge.

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Please note that given the other overt attempts to suppress the vote in Georgia, I think that ordering dozens of black senior citizens off of the bus was another one of the attempts to suppress the vote but I also think that they should have been able to move the bus away from the polling place and still allow the seniors to vote.

What I am not clear on is where the bus was located when the seniors were told to get off the bus and I am also not clear about who ordered them off the bus. I have also not seen any follow up to make sure that the seniors were able to get to the polls in another manner. Can anyone reading this verify or add more info?

(Also, you need to know that Colorado mails out ballots to all registered voters and you can either mail them back in or deliver them to drop boxes. You can register to vote up to and including election day. You can sign up for and receive notices--including a notice that your vote was received and accepted or indicating that a problem needs to be resolved. We DO want everyone to vote.)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
9. Has anyone heard if they have voted since?!
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:33 PM
Oct 2018

This really pisses me off. I hope like hell there's a massive drive-people-to-the-polls effort in that county. I've done it up here in NOVA and it's very rewarding.

iluvtennis

(19,871 posts)
10. Yes, the bus returned on Wednesday and took them to vote. Joy Reid had the organizer on her show
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:44 PM
Oct 2018

this morning.

Just shameful what the state of Georgia, North Dakota, Kansas are doing to suppress voters.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
11. OK, thanks. I keep seeing this story posted...
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

and haven't taken the time to follow up. Add North Carolina to your list -- corrupt Republicans use every trick in the book to suppress the vote.

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
12. I haven't been able to find enough details to confirm it -
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

but, in general, government employees are not permitted to engage in political activities in connection with their jobs. If this was a state sponsored bus, laws of this nature might kick in.

While this appears to be a stretch, laws of this nature are there for a reason. When I was hired at the Court of Appeals in my state, the judges hired by merit. I was hired by a Republican judge - and there were other cross-party clerkships. This is good for two reasons - cross-pollenation of ideas; there were times my tendency to be more protective of the rights of the accused tempered his tendency in to be less protective. In addition, it meant that the best law school graduates - not the best (name your party) graduate were advising the judges.

My own judge strictly separted politics from his job. When he ran for reelection, he prohibited any discussion of it in the office, and anyone who wanted to be involved in campaigning for him had to contact his campaign committee outside of work hours.

The court flipped while I was there to honor the letter - but not the spirit - of the laws. A judge was elected who saw his clerks as an extension of his political campaign machine. He installed a separate phone line in his office to technically avoid using state resources in his campaign - but his clerk regularly used that phone line after the close of business for political activity. His clerk was also dumb as a box of rocks.

Prior to the rules prohiiting political activity by state employees on state time, state employees were regularly coerced into donating to their elected bosses, and into running campaign events (canvassing, marching in paraces, etc.) for them. Such laws protect employees from partisan coercion.

The descriptions I've seen are not clear - but if it was a city or state bus transporting citizens for free to the polling place, it may have run afoul of such laws (even though it was not partisan politics).

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