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Carl Bernstein today on CNN says his sources in the White House are telling him that if the mid-terms are close and the Democrats only take it back by 5 to 7 seats, trump is preparing for legal challenges in the courts, to sow confusion, he will declare a victory and say the election was illegitimate!
HE IS ALREADY PLANNING FOR THIS!
Make sure you have shoes with sturdy soles to swarm to the streets! (for days or more)
THIS election is for ALL the marbles!
We will have NO choice but to shut the country down!
Link to tweet
marble falls
(57,204 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)The blue tsunami will wash up the steps of the capital and wash a lot of filth out of the House.
Think Hercules cleaning the Aegean stables!
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)He won't have to work on this; he gets to tell the GOP to pay lawyers and protesters. He gets to tie up Democrats who ought to be preparing to be the majority. He gets to decrease trust in the House, even when his protests are overruled. He riles up the deplorables who believe whatever he tells them.
It's like saying "he wasted his time claiming Obama wasn't born in Hawaii". If there's any chance at all of a Democrat increasing their influence or power, he'll try to stop it. He doesn't care it would be unseemly, or embarrassing to a normal president. He doesn't care it makes the USA look like a banana republic. All he wants is all the power for himself. And if he can't have that, then he has to disparage other people, and the institutions that aren't bending their knee to him.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)when they are seated in January, they start investigating.
I really don't see what he can do. Hell, Fox news doesn't carry his rallies anymore. You think he can get his deplorables to riot? I don't.
Krugman has been saying the some thing for some time. Yes, he'll claim it is illegitimate and if he sues it will go to the Supreme Court if necessary (I don't think he owns enough lower court judges for it to go that far) and do you see the Supremes overturning the results of the election? For the likes of Trump?
The more seats we win, the harder it will be. Take a nonvoting friend to the polls.
lark
(23,156 posts)The only question is will Roberts vote to overturn the election and destroy the constitution? We know for sure Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will vote with drumpf and oligarchs always?
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)because without evidence there won't be standing to even bring it to the supreme court.
"rigged election" will be his mantra going into 2020. It's more a campaign slogan than something that we need to worry about.
now, of course, if we only win the house by 1 or 2, i'd expect challenges to those, IF those races are close.
but if we blow them out of the water, ain't shit to worry about.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)See, for instance, the way Norm Coleman delayed Al Franken taking his seat for 6 months: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008
That had a big effect on the ACA, because Franken being seated while Ted Kennedy was still able to cast a vote would have allowed the Democrats to override a filibuster:
However, Kennedy's tumor had spread by spring 2009 and treatments for it were no longer effective; this information was not disclosed to the public.[214] By June 2009 Kennedy had not cast a Senate vote in three months
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy
Trump would love to hold up Democrats taking their seats. As far as his base goes, it'll give them more excuses to call Congress "illegitimate". Will they riot? Yes, some of them will. Look at the Proud Boys. To Trump, it's not a "waste of time".
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)demigoddess
(6,644 posts)"no democrat should be elected to any office ever again, not even dogcatcher" Rush Limbaugh in the 90s. Don't think they have changed their minds.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)Trump (and the GOP) are capable of messing with the election system in such a manner.
Chilling as by election is the one sure path out of the morass.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)Bernstein is in the know. He knows more about the presidency than the Resident. I believe that his sources have both been vetted and that they are telling him the truth.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)In 2016 candidate trump refused to commit to the Presidential Election results. Dismissed by some, its still a warning.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)If he attempts this, we will have NO choice but to shut this country down.
In the streets for days, a massive sit-down of millions at the Capitol and the White House and a General Strike.
This will be as bad as it gets.
We will soon know what this mad man is capable of trying.
Will he call out the troops and riot squads?
Asking for a friend, " Does Mattis still carry and is he proficient with his service revolver?
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)The Marines have carried semi-automatic pistols since WW I, and from what is known about Secretary Mattis, I bet he qualifies every year at the range, but he wouldn't have to use one to scare Trump.
Mattis terrifies Trump, because Mattis is the sort of individual who could break Trump in half in about three seconds. Same as Kelly, which is why Kelly hasn't been fired; same as Putin, actually... Trump is a physical coward.
But the issue with any obviously extra-legal effort to delay seating a Democratic Congress is not that the Marines from 8th and I would take control of the WH at Mattis' order (although they would, if ordered to do so); the issue is that the donor class would rebel if Trump tried to do something undeniably illegal.
The people who truly own the GOP value stability above all else, and the reality is that Trump and his followers have never been more than a tool to them, in the same way that Nixon was ... and once Nixon lost his usefulness, they dropped him in a heartbeat.
The Fortune 500 will do the same to Trump. They have received significant gains for at least 2-3 tax cycles, and two SC seats, plus various federal judges at the circuit and appellate levels; they've also received at least 2-3 federal budget cycles heavily in the red, and with spending focused on Fortune 500 stocks. They values of the above is in the hundreds of billions, at least...
They keep all that if they drop Trump; if they go down with him, it is all at risk of confiscation, destruction, or both.
They'll cast him aside like last week's mistress, and Trump knows it; despite everything his father tried to do for him (buying him a Penn degree, the gifted investments he just had to leave alone to remain wealthy, etc.), Trump has never been part of the club in the way that Bush the Younger is and was...
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Thank you!
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)You are entirely welcome...
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I hope you will continue to contribute and author many more posts!
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Back at ya!
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Will stop him. He's insane and terrified of going to prison. Think Roman Emperor Caligula. His base is insane and ready to start a civil war upon his notice. Lack of Wall Street support will not influence him if he thinks he's against a system that'll send him to the slammer.
A _ _ _ solution? Mattis may indeed have to draw his revolver. Then, at that moment, who controls this country? Pastor Pence?
This country is an inch away from it's second greatest crisis, thanks to a bunch of ignorant damn racists.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)A) Trump is a physical coward who has never risked himself at anything;
B) He folds like the cheapest of suits when faced by real power (see $25 million Trump University settlement as an example);
C) His base are, generally, overweight, out of shape, and despite their whining, have too much to risk;
D) He has next to no one willing to risk their lives against any element of state power (name them? his sons? Miller? Seriously, they're a bunch of cowards as well);
E) His base, however ready "any" slight percentage may be to go into the streets (I'd wager a few hundred, at most; total attendance at Charlottesville is estimated at ~500, at most), have no organization beyond the squad/section level, so maybe ~10+ at most, which if they attempt to take collective action, would be slaughtered by a single big city PD SWAT team)
F) The moment Mueller's team comes back with a solid case, Wall Street abandons Trump and the right calls are made; Pence, the Cabinet, and various House and Senate leaders make it clear he can step down or be dragged out in cuffs - just like Nixon.
If 1861-65 is your take on the greatest crisis, one can offer any number of examples (1929 being the most obvious) that were not as bad as Sumter, but certainly worse than getting rid of one idiot.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Are itching to use their weapons on neighbors.
I do not trust anyone who has stolen my Obama signs and poisoned my dog because he thought she was the one barking all the time (she stated indoors except for her potty trips into our backwoods). Other neighbors had a fence constructed because this big TRump supporter had bothered them.
Did ethnic cleansing in the Balkans not begin with neighbors killing neighbors?
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Actually, the Balkans began - generally - with the Yugoslav federal forces under Serbian control against (initially) the pro-independence Slovenian and Croatian forces, and then the Serbian government forces, and then it degenerated to various "local" police and security forces and various ethnic-based militias against the Bosnians, Kosovars, etc.
And not to go all American exceptionalism, but the US - certainly in comparison to Yugoslavia - has a much longer history of democracy, the rule of law, and a civil society.
As far as the RW lunatic fringe goes, unfortunately there are always sociopaths in any human society, but the numbers are definitely lacking in the US today. There's no equivalent in numbers of the Klan or the Bund, much less the Weathermen and SLA.
Does that mean something tragic and horrific might not happen? No, as witness Oklahoma City or Sept. 11 - but if it does, it will be contained.
Keep your eyes and ears open, and - not to be trite - but if you see something, say something. There are legions of dedicated professionals - at the local, state, and national levels - who will take action to prevent violent acts and bring perpetrators to justice.
Sounds like an outtake from Captain America, I know, but these folks exist and put their lives at risk on a daily basis to keep our country - any everyone who lives here - safe.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)Of course, that can be a two-edged sword.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)But in the meantime, allies are allies.
llmart
(15,552 posts)I believe you are 100% correct.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Thanks ... look, I get the seriousness of having this idiot in a position of power, trust me...
But this country has survived far, far worse. Historical perspective is a force multiplier.
davekriss
(4,627 posts)RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)You and I both, my friend...
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)It will go nowhere.
lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)pending court challenges.
That is the central question... and could those court challenges reach the Supreme Court where we know that the conservatives now have a 5-4 advantage.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Hell, he's probably advising the White House and the Rethugs on the legalities of how to pull it off!
triron
(22,020 posts)2naSalit
(86,776 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)In the end, he may have only the K frat boy.
lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)for the fate of democracy in the United States?
drray23
(7,637 posts)Those lawsuits would be thrown out.
lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)not Trump himself... but he will be fanning the flames.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)it's what he does best.
Fuck him, let him sue until he has the big one.
still_one
(92,396 posts)nowhere, but perhaps he doesn't care, he just wants to sow chaos
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)single party rule forever. This has to be stopped now.
Vote!
The Senate is in play. I would love the Democrats to take it also.
Shithole and the GOP will try and stop future elections and cry foul. Stacking the courts with RWers, US SC is rigged in their favor.
2016 elections was stolen, hopefully evidence of that will surface.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Washington, Oregon and California!
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)We could build a really BIG bridge over AZ.....
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)the day after elections? The Rump needs to be taken into custody and have his cell phone privileges permanently revoked. No more fucking rallies. Just sit there and shut the fuck up until he is arrested.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)From your mouth to Mueller's ears. Just shut the orange asshole up.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That's the difference...a Liar was selected this time around. Am I the only who is getting damn sick and tired of the phrase used by pundits...left and right..."baked in" as if there is nothing we can do to point out the vermin's current evil deeds? Uneducated, ignorant, gullible, self-loathing bigots.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Luckily, a President can't sue on behalf of the US, nor can he declare an election illegitimate.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)It's the 'Reliable Sources' Twitter and just click on the little blue arrow to start the video!
FM123
(10,054 posts)we are ready for your antics, and then some!
cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)here this morning!
BTW: as an inland Washingtonian..all in on the Cascadia proposal! Including legal weed and same sex marriage! Legal weed only thing keeping me SANE these days.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)We'll have a beautiful flag too! Oh Yeah!
On it will be: Mountains with volcanoes, rain forests , fruit orchards, Mighty Rivers and the Pacific Ocean!!
cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)Reason to dream!
Qutzupalotl
(14,327 posts)Cascadia may sound like Utopia but is unworkable in a practical sense, starting with national defense.
Meanwhile, Russia wants Alaska back. Fuck Russia.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Trump can whine all he wants and take it to the courts all he wants. It won't matter and all that will happen in end he will be seen as a complete joke by most people. Who cares what his cult thinks? They already think everything is rigged against him.
Quixote1818
(28,968 posts)up however.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)Terrifying. If that happens, he'd have to declare martial law, which I don't put past him at all.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Martial law is only an option when:
a) there is illegal activity (protest and strikes are not illegal);
b) said illegal activity is beyond the capability of local AND state law enforcement to deal with (and there isn't a governor or mayor in this country who will ever admit that, for obvious reasons);
c) the c-in-c is willing to order it (and we know Trump is a coward who shies away from any real responsibility, for anything);
d) the military chain of command accepts such orders (and from the secretary of defense on down, which given the professional status of the US officer corps, is extremely unlikely); and
e) the military being assigned to such duty accepts it (and the US military, as an institution, abhors being used for law enforcement functions).
So, no, actually.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)May I ask please?
Are you active or a retired, career military officer?
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Veteran and an informed citizen...
Keep asking yourself ... what happens when Trump is actually confronted?
He folds. Every time.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)I hope you're right, but the Repukes are so deep in tRump's back pocket, they might just give him that power before the new congress takes over.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Except the GOP electeds belong to their donors, who are most definitely NOT Trump and his supporters.
The people with real money value stability, and stupid decisions by Trump that threaten stability will be ignored. Trump is a tool, just lik Nixon was, and Trump will be dropped just like Nixon was when was no longer a useful tool.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)We had Union busting and the Pinkertons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_union_busting_in_the_United_States
Duppers
(28,127 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Called the Guard in. The students were protesting Cambodia. Look who was President.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Duppers
(28,127 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)It was horrible. Compared to the mass shootings today, it was only 4. But the young are really angry now at the do nothings in Congress.
It is a scary time for the old white men in Congress. That is why they are screeching, trying to do as much harm as they can. While they can. Thank goodness for the millions of old white men on our side. The women,the young.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)a) the Vietnam War;
b) an active draft;
c) an active anti-war movement;
d) an active anti-draft movement;
e) etc.
All of which are not present in 2018.
Same with Jackson State, of course.
In an era where everyone can broadcast live new footage from their smart phone, there is not an elected official in this country who is going to order Guard personnel to intervene in a political demonstration.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)And dumb enought to try. But his mouth gets away from his brain so his threats are forgotten the next minute.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Yep; plus he's also a coward and doesn't want to be held responsible for anything.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)The Bonus Army hits all your points except a). The protests in 1932 were legal to start.
"The Bonus Army were the 43,000 marchers17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groupswho gathered in Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1932 to demand cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Organizers called the demonstrators the "Bonus Expeditionary Force", to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Forces, while the media referred to them as the "Bonus Army" or "Bonus Marchers". The contingent was led by Walter W. Waters, a former sergeant.
Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their certificates.
On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the Army to clear the marchers' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.
A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt administration was defused in May with an offer of jobs with the Civilian Conservation Corps at Fort Hunt, Virginia, which most of the group accepted. Those who chose not to work for the CCC by the May 22 deadline were given transportation home.[1] In 1936, Congress overrode President Roosevelt's veto and paid the veterans their bonus nine years early."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)DC is federal territory, and 1932 predated DC Home Rule by four decades...
Plus, the officer corps of 1932 sure as hell ain't the officer corps of 2018.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)were officers central to the action. They are American war heroes.
So Posse Comitatus does not apply to DC?
Just thinking about what occurred in 1932 with "good guys" (Hoover had some good points but turned out a failed POTUS).
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)In 1932? Probably not; the DC police could not have coped with the size of the Bonus Army presence, there was very little in terms of a federal law enforcement "emergency" force at the ready (unlike today), and even the DC Guard would have been pretty small; even today it's less than 4,000 strong, and in 1930 there were 100,000 fewer residents of the District than there are today.
Eisenhower and Patton both argued against using the active army as riot troops, I believe; I'd have to look it up, but this was MacArthur's decision. Having said that, Patton died right after VE Day, but DDE did order the 101st Airborne into Little Rock and federalized the Arkansas NG, so I have a hard time seeing him ordering troops to engage peaceful protesters.
Likewise, it is worth considering the record of Major General Sherman T. Clinger, Adjutant General of Arkansas in 1957, during the integration of Central High. When the Guard was under the governor's control, he followed orders; when the Guard was federalized, he also followed orders. In both cases, the Arkansas NG did not use force against anyone.
Again, the US military has a deep institutional opposition to being used in law enforcement tasks, and as political enforcers.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)involved in the actions against the Bonus Army.
I tend to look at all three, especially Eisenhower, as "good guys" but not perfect. Eisenhower was inaugurated the week prior to my birth so he was the POTUS for the first 8 years of my life. Think Eisenhower was one of the best POTUS in the 20th century.
Tough situation. Later early when Roosevelt was POTUS there was a similar protest that was important to the beginnings of the CCC and WPA. CCC is part of my family history and was a positive influence in my home town and where I now reside in age.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)True, but MacArthur chose to take command... it's also worth noting that incidents that include the Bonus March are exactly WHY the US military remains so reluctant to become involved in law enforcement missions. It's also worth noting the fatalities that occurred during the Bonus March incidents that can be laid directly to the use of deadly force by the authorities amounted to two men shot by DC police officers; no gunshots were fired by the Army during the entire incident, and tear gas was used specifically as a non-lethal agent. There was one fatality due to smoke inhalation, however.
For dispersing a crowd in 1932, that's downright progressive, especially compared to Blair Mountain or Ludlow; certainly a better record than at Kent State, as well.
The piece below seems balanced; I try to avoid wikipedia.
[link:http://www.historynet.com/the-bonus-army-war-in-washington.htm|]
The quote regarding Patton seems appropriate:
Patton, a man who revered duty, had mixed emotions, calling it a most distasteful form of service. Within months he criticized the Armys tactics, believing they violated every precept of how to handle civil unrest. Still, he commended both sides: It speaks volumes for the high character of the men that not a shot was fired. In justice to the marchers, it should be pointed out that had they really wanted to start something, they had a great chance here, but refrained. And while Patton was disgusted that Bolsheviks were in the mix, he considered most of the Bonus Army poor, ignorant men, without hope, and without really evil intent.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Please stop planning for protests when we haven't executed Step 1.
MariaCSR
(642 posts)spanone
(135,874 posts)kairos12
(12,872 posts)elleng
(131,107 posts)congressional as well as state, in case people haven't noticed, so feeding trump's ego this way serves little purpose other than confusing the uninformed. We don't need more of THAT.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)He is setting this nation up for a coup.
But that is just my opinion and fear.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)No one with real power is going to go down with Trump.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)A paper tiger. Not enough guts to pull that off. Not enough followers,either.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Exactly.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)We need to be prepared to protest these efforts like crazy
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Then he made the ridiculous, bullshit claim that 3 million people voted ILLEGALLY in California and he set up a commission to investigate nationwide?
He already said yesterday that he will be watching this election very carefully. He's setting it up and sowing the seeds. Expect more of this!
MFM008
(19,818 posts)we got our ballots yesterday,
we are rushing them to the drop off boxes.
People are spitting mad.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Terrify that orange asshole with powerful numbers and restrain him until we defeat him soundly in 2020. Don't count on Mueller, count on ourselves.
getagrip_already
(14,837 posts)Hitler didn't rule alone either. There are thousands of monsters helping this regime and they all need to go.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)It might all hinge on California where the polls close at 8 pm Pacific (11 pm Eastern)
I better take a nap early in the day!
My guts are already now a mess! I haven't bitten my fingernails since I was in grade school, but they will be gone Tuesday night, I'm sure!
George II
(67,782 posts)...just to let him try it. That would be the end of him. Period.
erronis
(15,328 posts)Who seems to have a clear-eyed view of these matters.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)And hope he/she continues to post and contribute their knowledge!
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Thanks, and back at ya!
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)I try. Perhaps I am a "premature" anti-fascist, as was my the source of my monicker, but one deals with the hand one is dealt.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)When you know how crazy his weapons-carrying base is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We would protest in the streets peaceably if it came to it, but the constitution, the courts and the rule of order are on our side. At state and federal levels.
(For you personally, please give thought to the reality that the very LAST thing we would want to do would be for the systems 330,000,000 people depend on for life itself to shut down the nation and the courts. That is the gravest, most existential danger all Americans must fear. But if you do find yourself rushing to destruction with hundreds of thousands of others, by all means carry a backpack with survival supplies, including some kind of water filtration and refillable bottles. You might never get home again.)
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)and rule of order are (hopefully) still on our side.
But the courts at all levels are already being filled with RWNJ picks. I feel like we're truly in uncharted waters.
YES, of course, to peaceful protest!
But if crowds turned out in the millions, as we did in the Women's March and millions were in Washington D.C. in the streets, can you see a scenario where they were TOLD TO DISPERSE for National Security reasons?
And what if they DIDN'T obey that order?
What might happen next? Things can escalate in a second by stupid people making BAD decisions.
Could someone decide to use tear gas? Water Cannons? Rubber bullets?
This could play out in cities all over the country.
We've never been here before. This is not a normal President. These are not normal times.
Thank you for concerns about my well being (survival backpack and supplies)
But Jeez, being called a "trumpian tool" is a little harsh! I had to swallow hard on THAT one!
safeinOhio
(32,718 posts)Saudi Arabia, trade war, convictions of his pals, tax cuts are failing, Mueller and on and on.
I'm not good at predictions, but I'll keep saying You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet.
red dog 1
(27,849 posts)Let's all hope that the midterms are NOT "close"
K&R, thanks for posting
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Trump IS stupid.
Plus, it was the Republicans who came to Nixon and said, "The jig is up".
I may be wrong, but I don't think there are presently any Republicans, as there were then, who would tell trump, "it's time to go."
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)Doodley
(9,124 posts)Republican lawmakers will see him as a n electoral liability. He will be a lame duck and will know Republicans will turn on him. He is desperate.
Cha
(297,655 posts)from that POS putin wannabe FASCIST ASSHOLE.
Initech
(100,102 posts)KCDebbie
(664 posts)And defend against election result challenges from republicans if they WIN!
Retrograde
(10,156 posts)struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)More than one facet.
False flag MOBs.
Someone gets killed.
Chaos at some polling sites.
I believe it's all planned out. Gamed out. Workshopped, as they say.
Chaos demanding that he speak from the WH.
Chaos demanding that he call in some national guard somewhere, perhaps.
His instinct is for THEATER, DRAMA.
Get ready, people.
Separation
(1,975 posts)I cant believe that I am alive in a period of time, where people in the future will say, "That's were Americans should have done something about Donald Trump".
Its like being a German in the early 1930's.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Elections. This would have to be in states. And he would declare victory regardless of the results.
drray23
(7,637 posts)The federal government does not have any say whatsoever. It is the states which certify the elections.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Bettie
(16,125 posts)and hoping that I was wrong.
I suspect that they are not freaking out about a blue wave because they intend to invalidate the whole thing and stop having elections.
Takket
(21,625 posts)He has no authority to do so. Congressional elections are not run by the White House, certified by the White House, nor do they require any sort of approval or consent by the White House.
Also the White House does not set the date for swearing in nor can it issue and order to change the date or stop the process.
And if you want to know how SCOTUS feels about certifying elections and timing for lawsuits and disputes effecting them, well there is already MAJOR precident for that. See Bush vs Gore
Finally, read post 106.
Now, yes, Im sure drumpf is going to say some dumb ass stuff and threaten some billshit. But come January those elected Nov 6 ARE going to be seated.