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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:34 PM Oct 2018

NOTE: This was a coordinated effort (multiple bombs delivered on the same day)

The fact that there are multiple bombs to high ranking Democratic officials along with news media outlets on the same day across multiple geographic locations across the U.S. means that this had to be a coordinated attack by multiple sources.

This cannot be done by one person.

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NOTE: This was a coordinated effort (multiple bombs delivered on the same day) (Original Post) berni_mccoy Oct 2018 OP
Yes it can zipplewrath Oct 2018 #1
+1.nt Snotcicles Oct 2018 #60
and they know all the addresses AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #2
Do we know to origin point exboyfil Oct 2018 #3
Totally agree PRETZEL Oct 2018 #4
Maybe Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2018 #30
IMHO you may start seeing "copy cat" stuff going on at this point. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #5
So the copy cats were all ready to send pipe bombs just waiting for someone else to start? lunatica Oct 2018 #18
I have been seeing reports of all kinds of threats going on BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #20
It takes time to make these copy cat bombs, SQUEE Oct 2018 #24
Yup jberryhill Oct 2018 #35
Bomb at CNN confirmed as "Live" nt Cetacea Oct 2018 #53
You do know... Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #55
This also was a message to all Chickensoup Oct 2018 #6
It could easily sarisataka Oct 2018 #7
What u are saying is also wild speculation , Chickensoup Oct 2018 #10
How so? sarisataka Oct 2018 #16
No it's not Renew Deal Oct 2018 #19
Wait and see what the investigation shows... louis c Oct 2018 #57
Proud Boys striking back? moondust Oct 2018 #8
Technically it could. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2018 #9
Unibomber could not deliver all packages at once berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #11
Didn't is not the same as couldn't. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #13
Right, but it's not plausible. Period. berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #17
Why? They were mailed. It's as simple as putting them in the mailbox at the same time. onenote Oct 2018 #43
How do you know all of the packages were delivered on the same day? jberryhill Oct 2018 #46
Packages in NY, DC, FL and CA all arrived today. berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #48
OMG... First off, NONE were delivered in CA jberryhill Oct 2018 #50
Not according to the FBI onenote Oct 2018 #52
You are correct, I was going off hours old info. I apologize. berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #54
Berni El Shaman Oct 2018 #59
Why on earth not? Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #12
Based on description of labelling berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #15
First, Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #21
You missed my point berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #22
You've obviously never used an automated postage machine. I have. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #26
Have you seen the images of the packages and labels? berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #28
Which makes it even easier for one person to carry out. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #29
Wow, you don't quit. The original point was that using regular mail drops berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #32
And my original point is that your assertion is nonsense. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #33
The other hidden assumption in the OP... jberryhill Oct 2018 #37
Agreed. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #38
This "all delivered on the same day" nonsense is all over the place jberryhill Oct 2018 #40
Maybe they can predict how my students will do on Friday Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #45
Why? They were sent to Washington DC and NY area locations, not all across the country onenote Oct 2018 #44
Florida, San Diego (other places on the west coast) berni_mccoy Oct 2018 #47
Actually, you're the one not paying attention onenote Oct 2018 #49
No, you aren't jberryhill Oct 2018 #51
This is organized criminals acts to terrorize others with duforsure Oct 2018 #14
I don't see why it can't be one person. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #23
pand changes the news cycle from Saudi fiasco... HipChick Oct 2018 #25
Apparently they were also sent by various means HopeAgain Oct 2018 #27
I agree Meowmee Oct 2018 #31
I think you might be right TNLib Oct 2018 #34
Not necessarily jberryhill Oct 2018 #36
Not all on the same day MistakenLamb Oct 2018 #39
And we-don't-know-who tomorrow jberryhill Oct 2018 #41
Yes. I'm done believing in the "lone wolf" hypothesis. nt Hekate Oct 2018 #42
It was a terrorist attack. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #56
Are the El Shaman Oct 2018 #58

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
3. Do we know to origin point
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:39 PM
Oct 2018

We know the destinations. You are right though. It seems to be difficult for one person to coordinate this for the same day. Where some in transit and intercepted?

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
4. Totally agree
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:40 PM
Oct 2018

that this was a coordinated effort.

Hopefully someone in the FBI has been monitoring radical websites/facebook accounts to see if there can be some sort of connection found.

I also find it somewhat troubling that this occurred just a couple of days after the infamous "I'm a nationalist" rally.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
30. Maybe
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:21 PM
Oct 2018

Republicans threw a fit when Obama's DHS was studying the problem of right-wing domestic terrorism.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. So the copy cats were all ready to send pipe bombs just waiting for someone else to start?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:22 PM
Oct 2018

It takes time to make these copy cat bombs, and it takes time to get all those mailing addresses. It isn’t going to happen on the same day.

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
20. I have been seeing reports of all kinds of threats going on
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:27 PM
Oct 2018

that have not really made the news except on slow news days.

I don't think that there have been any news "reports" that confirmed that all of these ancillary instances were all "pipe bombs". For example, I just saw a post with a tweet that discounted the Kamala Harris "suspicious package" report.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
24. It takes time to make these copy cat bombs,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 02:56 PM
Oct 2018

Not ones as shitty as the ones I see posted.

They look like a bad rendition of what people THINK a bomb would look like.

I don't think they are real, or functional.

Maybe a threat, or a "warning", likely just an unhinged dipshit making a statement.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. Yup
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:45 PM
Oct 2018

I saw a picture of one of the claimed "bombs" removed from the envelope.

Well, pretty obviously, one would include at least a rudimentary 'spring clamp on a piece of paper attached inside the envelope' mechanism to at least attempt to get the thing to go off if/when removed from the envelope.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
55. You do know...
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:39 PM
Oct 2018

...that a firecracker going off can actually kill a human being, yes?

So, whether the bombs sent today meet your bomb-making standards or not, they are most likely capable of maiming or killing someone.

So, you know...take your not-really-a-bomb criticism down a notch, please, at least until the FBI contacts you to come inspect the bombs and inform of them of your expert opinion. We'll all be waiting with bated breath here on DU for you to return and inform us as well.

Chickensoup

(650 posts)
6. This also was a message to all
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 12:43 PM
Oct 2018

That if Trump and his party lose
his supporters will spread terror on the land.
This is no longer a difference of policy
This is an existential threat to our republic.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
19. No it's not
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:22 PM
Oct 2018

There is a difference between saying “multiple people must have done this” and 1 person could do do this. The first is speculation. The second is an opinion based in fact.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
57. Wait and see what the investigation shows...
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 11:05 AM
Oct 2018

...is the opposite of "wild speculation".

Please use the real definition of English words so the rest of us can follow along.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
9. Technically it could.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

I mean, the Unibomber acted alone. Just saying.

That certainly doesn't mean it wasn't politically motivated, as it is beyond obvious that it was.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
11. Unibomber could not deliver all packages at once
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:10 PM
Oct 2018

15 bombs over several years.

This attack cannot be compared to that.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
46. How do you know all of the packages were delivered on the same day?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:21 PM
Oct 2018

Can you tell me how it is you know there are no other packages currently in transit for delivery tomorrow or the day after?

Unless you mailed all of the packages, or have some other inside information, you don't know how many packages were sent.

You are making an assumption that the ones which were delivered today were all of the packages sent. That, and ignoring the fact that the Soros one was yesterday, is puzzling.

Do you know the bomber? If not, then can you explain how it is you know that all of the packages delivered today were "all of the packages" in total?
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
50. OMG... First off, NONE were delivered in CA
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:28 PM
Oct 2018

Okay, and none are going to arrive tomorrow?

How do you know that no packages are in transit for delivery tomorrow (and likely to be quietly intercepted given heightened concern)?

You DO NOT KNOW that ALL OF THE PACKAGES WERE DELIVERED TODAY unless you have the psychic ability to know what will happen tomorrow.

I think you may not be quite grasping this point.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-suspicious-package-ut-20181024-story.html

A downtown San Diego building that houses the San Diego Union-Tribune and other businesses was briefly evacuated Wednesday morning after a stack of suspicious looking packages — later determined to contain an assortment of random items — was spotted near the front doors, San Diego police said.

...

The discovery quickly prompted the closure of several busy blocks. But about an hour later, with aid from an X-ray, police determined the packages were filled with everyday items.

San Diego police Lt. Kevin Wadhams said the unaddressed boxes contained: one shoe, two children’s books, one football, one empty bag of chips and one hat. A red air pump was located behind the packages

onenote

(42,714 posts)
52. Not according to the FBI
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:33 PM
Oct 2018

Very first line of their statement: "Between October 22 and 24, 2018, suspicious packages were received at multiple locations in the New York and Washington, D.C., areas and Florida."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-on-the-fbis-investigation-of-suspicious-packages


You should be careful about accusing people of not paying attention when you don't have a grasp of the basic facts at hand.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
54. You are correct, I was going off hours old info. I apologize.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:57 PM
Oct 2018

I should have updated my info on this before responding to you.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
12. Why on earth not?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:12 PM
Oct 2018

There isn't a one-package-per day delivery limit. If there were, Jeff Bezos would not be super rich.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
15. Based on description of labelling
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:19 PM
Oct 2018

Labels indicated sent using USPS and the one sent to Debbie Wasserman Schulz had the wrong address. This would have been corrected if someone personally shipped them from a post office, which is the only way you are going to guarantee delivery of multiple packages on the same day.

The fact that the package was also delivered to DWS using the return address would also be caught by an intake person at a post office.

So these were sent from a drop off location. To guarantee delivery package delivery using regular postage to multiple locations across the country by a certain day is not plausible.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
21. First,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:34 PM
Oct 2018

There's no reason for the post office to reject packages that appear to be being sent by different people. They check to make sure there is a return address - and perhaps not even that when you are handing cash to a person. Requiring a return address for delivery is a relic of a time when the post office delivered mail and then gave the sender a charge slip for the deficiency. I

But you've also obviously not been to a modern post office. Most have an automated postage machine that permits you to purchase postage for guaranteed delivery. There is no need to interact with humans at all.

Finally, you can use onlline postage services to purchase guaranteed delivery postage.

It is very easily done. Millions of vendors replicate this process daily in order to service their customers.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
22. You missed my point
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 02:48 PM
Oct 2018

The attackers are not going to go to a post-office (cameras).

Secondly, even an automatic postage machine will catch postal address errors.

They didn't go to a post office.

They didn't order the postage online (think of the tracking on that).

It is not easily done by one person without a definitive trace on the source.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
26. You've obviously never used an automated postage machine. I have.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:05 PM
Oct 2018

The machines do not verify that the return address on the package is accurate.

As far as we know, this person might have stupid enough to not think about or be unaware of tracking.

You are imposing the condition that one person could not do this and get away with it.

That, at this point, is not a condition. Your assertion wasn't that no one could do this and not get caught - it was that it was not possible for one person to do this. Your objections run along the lines of it is impossible for one person to do that without being caught, which is a different and - at this point hypothetical - restriction.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
28. Have you seen the images of the packages and labels?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:09 PM
Oct 2018

These were not processed by an automated system.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
29. Which makes it even easier for one person to carry out.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:17 PM
Oct 2018

I was going down the rabbit hole you created about how impossible it would be using a hand-the-packages-to-the clerk scenario.

If they were dropped in mailboxes, or sent by courier, it is even easier for one person to have carried it out.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
32. Wow, you don't quit. The original point was that using regular mail drops
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:25 PM
Oct 2018

would not produce the result we have today. It had to have been coordinated from different geographical locations.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
33. And my original point is that your assertion is nonsense.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:32 PM
Oct 2018

Your original point was not limited to mail drops. It was use of the post office's guaranteed delivery to deliver them all on the same date to different geographical locations (not from different geographical locations).

In defending that, you made several assesrtions about how the post office works that are not accurate. I corrected them.

Then, you shifted to explaining that they wouldn't have done that becasue that would result in them getting caught (which may well still happen, becuase they may not have cared or been aware of how easily it is to be caught).

Now you're pointing out that they weren't sent via the post office's guaranteed delivery system at all.

And I wont' quit? You keep shifting your story and the restrictions to make it consistent with some conspiracy story living in your head. I'm just pointing out, repeatedly, the holes in that story.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
37. The other hidden assumption in the OP...
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:50 PM
Oct 2018

...is that all of the packages have been delivered.

Maybe there are more still in transit which have not been delivered, and would be delivered tomorrow or later this week. Unless the OP sent the packages, the OP does not know that they have all been delivered on the same day.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
38. Agreed.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:51 PM
Oct 2018

I was trying to limit the rabbit holes I chase the OP down. But yes - merely because a number of packages were delivered today does not mean there aren't others straggling in for tomorrow, the next day, or 3 weeks from now.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. This "all delivered on the same day" nonsense is all over the place
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:57 PM
Oct 2018

I wish I had the remarkable ability of other people here to know what is going to happen tomorrow and so on.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
45. Maybe they can predict how my students will do on Friday
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:13 PM
Oct 2018

(bar results day), or November 6, or the stock market tomorrow. Much better use of such powers than spinning conspiracy theories.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
44. Why? They were sent to Washington DC and NY area locations, not all across the country
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:07 PM
Oct 2018

And they weren't all received simultaneously. The Soros device was delivered before the others as I understand it.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
49. Actually, you're the one not paying attention
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:26 PM
Oct 2018

The "San Diego" package turned out to be a nothing burger. https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/10/24/suspicious-devices-found-outside-san-diego-union-tribune/

And the Florida package was actually intended to go to DC and but was returned to "sender" -- which was the DWS address in Florida, further confirming that they weren't all mailed and/or received at once.

The FCC statement on the situation states that the devices were received between October 22 and October 24, again puncturing your all delivered at the same time theory.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. This is organized criminals acts to terrorize others with
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 01:18 PM
Oct 2018

And all those involved can be charged with the terrorist laws , which have special differences , one being their rights are no longer available to them, so who ever is involved can be gone after without them having any rights for awhile. Gitmo was built for them.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
34. I think you might be right
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:36 PM
Oct 2018

I'm willing to bet this was racially as well as politically motivated, I'm guessing a white nationalist group or someone involved with one.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. Not necessarily
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:48 PM
Oct 2018

What makes you think they were all "delivered on the same day"?

How do you know there are not other ones in transit, that would be delivered tomorrow or some other later day, which are now more likely to be intercepted and not reported to news media?

How do you know all of the packages have, in fact, already been delivered?

Unless you are the person sending them, of course, you have NO IDEA that all of the packages have been delivered.
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