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The fact that there are multiple bombs to high ranking Democratic officials along with news media outlets on the same day across multiple geographic locations across the U.S. means that this had to be a coordinated attack by multiple sources.
This cannot be done by one person.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)And don't be surprised if more show up tomorrow.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)must have connections
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)We know the destinations. You are right though. It seems to be difficult for one person to coordinate this for the same day. Where some in transit and intercepted?
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)that this was a coordinated effort.
Hopefully someone in the FBI has been monitoring radical websites/facebook accounts to see if there can be some sort of connection found.
I also find it somewhat troubling that this occurred just a couple of days after the infamous "I'm a nationalist" rally.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)Republicans threw a fit when Obama's DHS was studying the problem of right-wing domestic terrorism.
BumRushDaShow
(129,082 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)It takes time to make these copy cat bombs, and it takes time to get all those mailing addresses. It isnt going to happen on the same day.
BumRushDaShow
(129,082 posts)that have not really made the news except on slow news days.
I don't think that there have been any news "reports" that confirmed that all of these ancillary instances were all "pipe bombs". For example, I just saw a post with a tweet that discounted the Kamala Harris "suspicious package" report.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Not ones as shitty as the ones I see posted.
They look like a bad rendition of what people THINK a bomb would look like.
I don't think they are real, or functional.
Maybe a threat, or a "warning", likely just an unhinged dipshit making a statement.
I saw a picture of one of the claimed "bombs" removed from the envelope.
Well, pretty obviously, one would include at least a rudimentary 'spring clamp on a piece of paper attached inside the envelope' mechanism to at least attempt to get the thing to go off if/when removed from the envelope.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)Charlotte Little
(658 posts)...that a firecracker going off can actually kill a human being, yes?
So, whether the bombs sent today meet your bomb-making standards or not, they are most likely capable of maiming or killing someone.
So, you know...take your not-really-a-bomb criticism down a notch, please, at least until the FBI contacts you to come inspect the bombs and inform of them of your expert opinion. We'll all be waiting with bated breath here on DU for you to return and inform us as well.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)That if Trump and his party lose
his supporters will spread terror on the land.
This is no longer a difference of policy
This is an existential threat to our republic.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Have been done by one person
I'll wait for an investigation before wild speculation
Chickensoup
(650 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)There is a difference between saying multiple people must have done this and 1 person could do do this. The first is speculation. The second is an opinion based in fact.
louis c
(8,652 posts)...is the opposite of "wild speculation".
Please use the real definition of English words so the rest of us can follow along.
moondust
(19,991 posts)Let's hope somebody doesn't try to scare people away from the polls.
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)I mean, the Unibomber acted alone. Just saying.
That certainly doesn't mean it wasn't politically motivated, as it is beyond obvious that it was.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)15 bombs over several years.
This attack cannot be compared to that.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Can you tell me how it is you know there are no other packages currently in transit for delivery tomorrow or the day after?
Unless you mailed all of the packages, or have some other inside information, you don't know how many packages were sent.
You are making an assumption that the ones which were delivered today were all of the packages sent. That, and ignoring the fact that the Soros one was yesterday, is puzzling.
Do you know the bomber? If not, then can you explain how it is you know that all of the packages delivered today were "all of the packages" in total?
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Okay, and none are going to arrive tomorrow?
How do you know that no packages are in transit for delivery tomorrow (and likely to be quietly intercepted given heightened concern)?
You DO NOT KNOW that ALL OF THE PACKAGES WERE DELIVERED TODAY unless you have the psychic ability to know what will happen tomorrow.
I think you may not be quite grasping this point.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-suspicious-package-ut-20181024-story.html
A downtown San Diego building that houses the San Diego Union-Tribune and other businesses was briefly evacuated Wednesday morning after a stack of suspicious looking packages later determined to contain an assortment of random items was spotted near the front doors, San Diego police said.
...
The discovery quickly prompted the closure of several busy blocks. But about an hour later, with aid from an X-ray, police determined the packages were filled with everyday items.
San Diego police Lt. Kevin Wadhams said the unaddressed boxes contained: one shoe, two childrens books, one football, one empty bag of chips and one hat. A red air pump was located behind the packages
onenote
(42,714 posts)Very first line of their statement: "Between October 22 and 24, 2018, suspicious packages were received at multiple locations in the New York and Washington, D.C., areas and Florida."
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-on-the-fbis-investigation-of-suspicious-packages
You should be careful about accusing people of not paying attention when you don't have a grasp of the basic facts at hand.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I should have updated my info on this before responding to you.
El Shaman
(583 posts)You o.k.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)There isn't a one-package-per day delivery limit. If there were, Jeff Bezos would not be super rich.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Labels indicated sent using USPS and the one sent to Debbie Wasserman Schulz had the wrong address. This would have been corrected if someone personally shipped them from a post office, which is the only way you are going to guarantee delivery of multiple packages on the same day.
The fact that the package was also delivered to DWS using the return address would also be caught by an intake person at a post office.
So these were sent from a drop off location. To guarantee delivery package delivery using regular postage to multiple locations across the country by a certain day is not plausible.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)There's no reason for the post office to reject packages that appear to be being sent by different people. They check to make sure there is a return address - and perhaps not even that when you are handing cash to a person. Requiring a return address for delivery is a relic of a time when the post office delivered mail and then gave the sender a charge slip for the deficiency. I
But you've also obviously not been to a modern post office. Most have an automated postage machine that permits you to purchase postage for guaranteed delivery. There is no need to interact with humans at all.
Finally, you can use onlline postage services to purchase guaranteed delivery postage.
It is very easily done. Millions of vendors replicate this process daily in order to service their customers.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)The attackers are not going to go to a post-office (cameras).
Secondly, even an automatic postage machine will catch postal address errors.
They didn't go to a post office.
They didn't order the postage online (think of the tracking on that).
It is not easily done by one person without a definitive trace on the source.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)The machines do not verify that the return address on the package is accurate.
As far as we know, this person might have stupid enough to not think about or be unaware of tracking.
You are imposing the condition that one person could not do this and get away with it.
That, at this point, is not a condition. Your assertion wasn't that no one could do this and not get caught - it was that it was not possible for one person to do this. Your objections run along the lines of it is impossible for one person to do that without being caught, which is a different and - at this point hypothetical - restriction.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)These were not processed by an automated system.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I was going down the rabbit hole you created about how impossible it would be using a hand-the-packages-to-the clerk scenario.
If they were dropped in mailboxes, or sent by courier, it is even easier for one person to have carried it out.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)would not produce the result we have today. It had to have been coordinated from different geographical locations.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Your original point was not limited to mail drops. It was use of the post office's guaranteed delivery to deliver them all on the same date to different geographical locations (not from different geographical locations).
In defending that, you made several assesrtions about how the post office works that are not accurate. I corrected them.
Then, you shifted to explaining that they wouldn't have done that becasue that would result in them getting caught (which may well still happen, becuase they may not have cared or been aware of how easily it is to be caught).
Now you're pointing out that they weren't sent via the post office's guaranteed delivery system at all.
And I wont' quit? You keep shifting your story and the restrictions to make it consistent with some conspiracy story living in your head. I'm just pointing out, repeatedly, the holes in that story.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...is that all of the packages have been delivered.
Maybe there are more still in transit which have not been delivered, and would be delivered tomorrow or later this week. Unless the OP sent the packages, the OP does not know that they have all been delivered on the same day.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I was trying to limit the rabbit holes I chase the OP down. But yes - merely because a number of packages were delivered today does not mean there aren't others straggling in for tomorrow, the next day, or 3 weeks from now.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I wish I had the remarkable ability of other people here to know what is going to happen tomorrow and so on.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)(bar results day), or November 6, or the stock market tomorrow. Much better use of such powers than spinning conspiracy theories.
onenote
(42,714 posts)And they weren't all received simultaneously. The Soros device was delivered before the others as I understand it.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)You're not paying attention apparently.
onenote
(42,714 posts)The "San Diego" package turned out to be a nothing burger. https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/10/24/suspicious-devices-found-outside-san-diego-union-tribune/
And the Florida package was actually intended to go to DC and but was returned to "sender" -- which was the DWS address in Florida, further confirming that they weren't all mailed and/or received at once.
The FCC statement on the situation states that the devices were received between October 22 and October 24, again puncturing your all delivered at the same time theory.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There was no bomb-like object received in California.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And all those involved can be charged with the terrorist laws , which have special differences , one being their rights are no longer available to them, so who ever is involved can be gone after without them having any rights for awhile. Gitmo was built for them.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Put all the packages in the mail at a about the same time. Not hard.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)some by mail, some by private carrier.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)But we will see soon hopefully who was responsible.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)I'm willing to bet this was racially as well as politically motivated, I'm guessing a white nationalist group or someone involved with one.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What makes you think they were all "delivered on the same day"?
How do you know there are not other ones in transit, that would be delivered tomorrow or some other later day, which are now more likely to be intercepted and not reported to news media?
How do you know all of the packages have, in fact, already been delivered?
Unless you are the person sending them, of course, you have NO IDEA that all of the packages have been delivered.
MistakenLamb
(526 posts)Soros was days ago, Clintons yesterday Obama today
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)El Shaman
(583 posts)Bundy boys out of jail??