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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:47 PM Oct 2018

Bearing Witness at Trump's Missoula Rally

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Wednesday, 24 October 2018 08:15
Bearing Witness at Trump's Missoula Rally
SALIM MATT GRAS FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT


An Open Letter to President Trump:

My name is Salim Matt Gras, and I live in the small town of Hamilton, MT, about an hour south of Missoula. Yesterday evening I attended the rally you held at our airport. I went online and obtained a ticket, then waited many hours in line to get in. The sun was setting by the time Air Force One rolled slowly up the tarmac, positioning itself photogenically behind the podium where you spoke. I know from news reports that this was not accidental – apparently your team vetoed an adjacent site because it wouldn't have as easily lent itself to good photo ops. Seems that appearances mean a lot to you, Mr. Trump. My experience teaches me that things are often not as they appear.

Let me be forthright about who and what I am. You might guess from my name that my identity is not mainstream Christian; the fact is I identify as an American Sufi, a faith that has as its emblem a wingéd heart and that embraces people of all colors, all faiths, all gender identities, all walks of life. I grew up Jewish in New York, so in some respects you and I have a great deal in common. I love that rough and tumble city; gruff on its outside, tender hearted and compassionate at its core. I wonder sometimes how you could have been born and raised there without some of that loving compassion rubbing off on you.

I'll be honest with you, Mr. Trump: it wasn't easy for me to attend your rally yesterday. I was scared. In many ways it felt like going behind 'enemy lines.' Though I do not believe in enemies – my faith teaches me that all of us are one, and that there are no 'others' – it felt like a risky thing to do to immerse myself into a crowd of people who were likely to – and did – roar “lock her up! Lock her up!” when you predictably mentioned Hillary Clinton's name. Still, it felt important to me to be there. You chose to come to my home town, a community known for its liberal embrace of people and ideas. I wanted to experience one of your many, many rallies for myself, and to bear witness to whatever there occurred.

The event, and you, didn't disappoint. Waiting in the long lines I had ample opportunity to chitchat with the people around me. I found, as I expected, that they seemed quite ordinary, people who could be my neighbors. Montana, for all its identification as a 'red' state, is a place where most of us put politics aside while living our day-to-day lives. We know the importance of being able to rely on our communities in this glorious state where winters have historically been harsh, often brutally so. You never know when you'll need the help of a stranger pulling your car from a ditch, say, or evacuating your stock when a wildfire threatens. And so my fears were calmed a bit while slowly shuffling forward in the line that took hours, making small talk with the people behind and in front of me, taking refuge in ordinary things.

That all changed, though, when we came to the hangar where your event was staged.

Maybe it was the music – and I've got to say, I was quite surprised when the loudspeakers (at bone-shakingly loud volumes!) blared Mick Jagger's "Sympathy for the Devil." That song's ominous implications took on particular significance as the evening wound on. I don't know who chose that song, Mr. Trump, but I couldn't help but wonder if the message was that we should have sympathy for _you_. But, music aside, the energy in that hangar was ugly, and frightening. It was as if this crowd of otherwise ordinary people had been given permission to morph into something very dark and very menacing. And it was the glee they showed - when you badmouthed Clinton, say, or boasted about building a wall to keep out people suffering abuse seeking refuge, or spoke admiringly of our Republican U.S. Representative body slamming a reporter - that was the most alarming.

I didn't vote for you, Mr. Trump; but you are still my president. That rally you held in Missoula was paid for by my tax dollars – as are all the other very many rallies you've been staging across the country. My tax dollars pay for Air Force One, and for the Secret Service agents who protect you at these events. I had every right as an American citizen to attend that rally. And I had every right as a citizen, protected by the U.S. Constitution and the First Amendment, to express my sentiments while there. When I and my Quaker colleague raised our simple banner expressing support for Montana's Democratic U.S. Senator Jon Tester (whom you go out of your way to vilify and attack, simply because he fulfills his obligation to his constituents by representing our interests), I fully anticipated what would happen next. But that doesn't make it right, Mr. Trump. Nor does it make it legal.

As soon as my companion and I raised that banner, the crowd around us began seething with ugliness. People started snatching at the banner, attempting to pull it out of our hands. A burly man dressed all in black grabbed me and began shouting at me to leave. When I didn't hustle along fast enough for his satisfaction, he threatened to have me arrested. When I asked what law I'd broken, he said he didn't have to tell me. He shouted at me that your rally was a private event, and that I was not welcome (this in spite of the fact that the Missoula rally, and all your political rallies, are paid for with public dollars). He roughhoused me out the gate and came very close to throwing me to the ground.

I'm glad I attended your rally, Mr. Trump – glad I experienced your venom and your hatred and your lying firsthand. I needed to see that; I needed to bear witness to the ways in which you are rallying your base and inciting violence. I needed to see firsthand the ways in which you are laying the foundation for things unspeakable yet to come. Before now, I didn't quite believe those who say that what we are witnessing in your presidency is akin to what happened in Germany when Hitler was ascendant. But now I do – and I am horrified and afraid.

But I am also committed – committed with all loving and compassionate Americans to standing up to you and your hatred. I do not know what happens next; nor do I know whether you will succeed in completely destroying this country so beloved by so many. I am not brave, Mr. Trump, and I am no hero. But I promise you that I and everyone I know will find whatever courage we need to resist you.


Go in peace and be well, Mr. Trump. I pray for our country – and I pray for your soul.
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Bearing Witness at Trump's Missoula Rally (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2018 OP
Kick. MontanaMama Oct 2018 #1
When I saw the OP I thought MontanaMama Cha Oct 2018 #6
Cha...I was trembling too MontanaMama Oct 2018 #10
I can imagine how much Cha Oct 2018 #18
I'm with you, MontanaMama. kag Oct 2018 #13
There's a line from an old song by INXS, Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #34
+1 2naSalit Oct 2018 #44
His black soul has been sold to the devil already. murielm99 Oct 2018 #21
tRump is evil personified. pazzyanne Oct 2018 #24
I heard Stephanie Ruhle say MontanaMama Oct 2018 #27
Yes. There is evil in the world, pazzyanne Oct 2018 #30
Evil yes but remember Brainwashing works. sharedvalues Oct 2018 #38
I've seen it. MontanaMama Oct 2018 #41
I think abt half are convertable. sharedvalues Oct 2018 #43
Unfortunately MontanaMama Oct 2018 #51
Agree. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #29
My thought is it too late? Have we reached a point of no return? olegramps Oct 2018 #50
From the belly of the beast The Polack MSgt Oct 2018 #2
K and R JohnnyLib2 Oct 2018 #3
Miss-read the title as Bearing Witness at Trump's Mussolini Rally wcollar Oct 2018 #4
Easy mistake. kag Oct 2018 #8
On such a day.... KnR Hekate Oct 2018 #5
I met Matt in Seattle working on the Kucinich campaign The Blue Flower Oct 2018 #7
Sufis have great peace and courage. They have faced down much more violent men than Trump grantcart Oct 2018 #12
Ditto for Quakers who have worked for peace in this country for 350 years DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #42
And the Mennonites grantcart Oct 2018 #45
For those unfamiliar with Sufi it is a form of Islam grantcart Oct 2018 #9
Thanks for that! nt SCVDem Oct 2018 #25
Terrifying and disgusting and lots of other words! hostalover Oct 2018 #11
What an amazing piece NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #14
Wow. I have no words. Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #15
Is Salim Matt Gras a journalist? FakeNoose Oct 2018 #16
Pretty sure that tRUMP doesn't have a soul. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2018 #17
The Stones Told Trump To Stop Playing Their Music PaulX2 Oct 2018 #19
Trump has no respect for anything or anybody. smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #32
I think that the Rolling Stones should get a cease and desist geardaddy Oct 2018 #20
Helo i chi, Geardaddy Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #35
Bore da, Haggis geardaddy Oct 2018 #52
Rather naive and reckless to bring that banner in there Gregory Peccary Oct 2018 #22
This is a free country, or was. babylonsister Oct 2018 #31
I say they were brave, courageous, admirable. (nt) MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #48
So beautifully written, but so sad! Paka Oct 2018 #23
I know some taxpayer $ is used for a rally sobenji Oct 2018 #26
Obamas rallies? Permanut Oct 2018 #53
You want sources that RW nut jobs sobenji Oct 2018 #57
Actually, that's not what I asked for.. Permanut Oct 2018 #58
Got it. sobenji Oct 2018 #61
Just wow Politicub Oct 2018 #28
MAGA Mob shadowmayor Oct 2018 #33
This is one of the most zentrum Oct 2018 #36
Truth is powerful. Autumn Oct 2018 #37
Republicans have been like this for years gopiscrap Oct 2018 #39
Soul? Maru Kitteh Oct 2018 #40
K&R UCmeNdc Oct 2018 #46
I can't help but think that this scene must've gone through Orwell's mind Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #47
Great article. But not sure we are paying for these rallies he attends. Fla Dem Oct 2018 #49
I believe this account. Our deterioration as a nation is proceeding apace. calimary Oct 2018 #54
Yes. Sadly I agree. Well said. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #59
So - Sympathy for the Devil, Eh? panfluteman Oct 2018 #55
I thought Missoula was an odd choice for Trump Ginger42 Oct 2018 #56
A Trump rally is a celebration of bigotry and cruelty dalton99a Oct 2018 #60

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
1. Kick.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 03:55 PM
Oct 2018

This is a brave person despite his claim otherwise. I would never have had the courage to mingle with deplorables like he did. I was across town at the Missoula Rises rally to protest the visit of the pResident. I'm sick and sad that my fellow Montanans behaved as described above. I avoid these people like the plague. I too pray for our country. I don't have it in me to pray for tRump's soul. He's on his own with that.

Cha

(297,304 posts)
6. When I saw the OP I thought MontanaMama
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:46 PM
Oct 2018

needs to see this.

Amazing person this, Salim Matt Gras.. I was shaking just reading about his personal account of trump's hatemongering fest in Missoula.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
10. Cha...I was trembling too
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:07 PM
Oct 2018

while I read the letter. I clicked on the link and looked at the photo of the crowd to see if I recognized anyone in it and felt a wave relief when I did not. This chapter in our history has changed how I interact with my fellow Montanans in general. I will not and cannot tolerate the mindset of these people. This goes further than politics. This speaks to how 30% of our fellow citizens operate in general on the planet. I don't want anything to do with them.

Cha

(297,304 posts)
18. I can imagine how much
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:20 PM
Oct 2018

you don't want anything to do with the 30% Cult45. I would avoid them like the plague in my imagination. But, you're right there in the same area.

kag

(4,079 posts)
13. I'm with you, MontanaMama.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oct 2018

That Sufi is definitely more forgiving than I am. These days I find myself wishing I believed in Hell, so that my prayers regarding Cheetohlini could be answered.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
34. There's a line from an old song by INXS,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 07:06 PM
Oct 2018

named Devil Inside:

" . . . Future uncertain, but certainly slight.
Look at the faces,
Listen to the bells,
It's hard to believe we need a place called Hell."

So often, musical lyrics come to me from my subconscious, reminding me that others have thought the same.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
21. His black soul has been sold to the devil already.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

I don't think praying for his soul would do ay good. He has rejected anything that is not hateful and dark.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
24. tRump is evil personified.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:02 PM
Oct 2018

As I watch our country's moral presence on the world stage fading away, I am ill to my stomach ( ). I find myself entering into negatives thoughts, but I am continuing to fight this evil cabal with every tool I can still use. I pray for my country every day, and add prayers that new people will run for office who can begin to turn around the destruction that has impacted a country that has progressed since September 17, 1787 when the Constitution was signed. Never will I accept the evil that now lives in our White House.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
27. I heard Stephanie Ruhle say
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:09 PM
Oct 2018

just this morning that “people aren’t evil, they do bad things but they’re not evil...” I know her heart was in
the right place but I disagree with her. I believe we are dealing with evil here.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
30. Yes. There is evil in the world,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:13 PM
Oct 2018

and we do have it living in OUR White House. GOTV!!! Take others with you. WE. MUST. WIN. THIS. ELECTION!

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
38. Evil yes but remember Brainwashing works.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:49 PM
Oct 2018

Watch “The Brainwashing of My Dad “ Amazon Prime.

It shows how normal people can be turned evil by lying media.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
43. I think abt half are convertable.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:34 PM
Oct 2018

Some are lost to reason, yes.
But the key is to get the deplorablea away front fox and Limbaugh. Talk abt ownership and agenda of Fox.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
50. My thought is it too late? Have we reached a point of no return?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:16 AM
Oct 2018

Trump is a demagogue. Cut out of the same rotten corrupted material as was Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao and a host of evil people throughout history who have risen to power preaching hatred and division. Have we reached that point in history identical to that which was responsible for the destruction of Germany? It is not an exaggeration when anyone who Trump lists as an enemy can become a target for people he has transformed into killers who make and send bombs to destroy them. Maybe it really is too late. If the Democrats prevail in the upcoming elections what will be the reaction of his worshipers?

wcollar

(176 posts)
4. Miss-read the title as Bearing Witness at Trump's Mussolini Rally
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:34 PM
Oct 2018

Then realized that was a more accurate title.

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
7. I met Matt in Seattle working on the Kucinich campaign
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:50 PM
Oct 2018

He's a man who stands passionately for his values. It took a lot of courage to be in that audience, and I applaud him.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
42. Ditto for Quakers who have worked for peace in this country for 350 years
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:29 PM
Oct 2018

And they operate schools that encourage compassion and critical thinking. I'm not surprised that a Sufi and a Quaker were braving that Big Brother event and standing up for higher principles. Both the Clintons and Obamas sent their daughters to a Quaker School.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
45. And the Mennonites
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 11:54 PM
Oct 2018

I had a Mennonite friend who worked in a Mennonite clinic for children prosthetic limbs. When the North Vietnamese tanks rolled by during the takeover they came out waved and went back to their work and stayed a couple of years under the communists.

We shouldn't lump all Christians into the same basket.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. For those unfamiliar with Sufi it is a form of Islam
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:07 PM
Oct 2018

It is not usually organized in strict fashion like a Shia or Sunni mosque.

If you read poems by the great Sufi philosophers and poets you might mistake them for mystical Christians or Buddhists, like this one:



Be humble.
Only fools take pride in their station here, trapped in
a cage of dust, moisture, heat and air.
No need to complain of calamities,
this illusion of a life lasts but a moment.

From the 9th Century Shaikh Abu-Saeed Abil-Kheir. He seems to be talking directly to Trump.

I am not surprised that he was accompanied by a Quaker.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
14. What an amazing piece
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:09 PM
Oct 2018

It's really not surprising. I've always thought that most of these people are just ordinary folks although I disagree with them politically. But they turn into something dark and dangerous when they listen to an autocratic nationalist full of hate. Trump IS responsible for those mailed bombs. He feeds, and feeds on, the fear and hate simmering below the surface in some people.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
15. Wow. I have no words.
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

Hitler ascendant; that's truly what he is. And we're living through it now; the new age of Donald Trump. We now have the opportunity to be the new "good Germans".

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
16. Is Salim Matt Gras a journalist?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:13 PM
Oct 2018

He writes quite well and I would have taken him for a journalist. If that were the case he would have qualified for a journo credential, am I right? But if he chose to attend as a participant and spectator so that explains his banner for Senator Tester.

This must have been a strange evening and Mr. Gras was lucky he didn't end up in the hospital.
Respect to you, Salim Matt Gras! This took a lot of guts.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
20. I think that the Rolling Stones should get a cease and desist
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:31 PM
Oct 2018

for -45 playing their music at his rallies.

I can only imagine what that must have been like for Matt. What a brave person!

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
35. Helo i chi, Geardaddy
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 07:14 PM
Oct 2018

I'm not sure that a cease and desist would work. He has received dozens of therm from various artists. Right now, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith is preparing to actually file a lawsuit. His lawyers have been sending cease and desist letters to trmp for some time now and nothing has come of it. trmp has no respect for proprietary law or property. Yet, if someone were to tread upon the trump name, he's be in court by tomorrow morning. It has been a consistent pattern with him.

P/S "Ivanka Trump" is a registered, protected trademark.

Cymerwch ofal, da Syr.

Y Ddraig goch yn codi eto.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
52. Bore da, Haggis
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:18 AM
Oct 2018

You're probably right. He has no respect for the law unless it covers his interest.

Hwyl am y tro!

sobenji

(316 posts)
26. I know some taxpayer $ is used for a rally
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 06:06 PM
Oct 2018

But I believe it was paid for by the committee to reelect the idiot-in-chief. Granted public utilities and service people (SS, AF1)were used because of the nature of the event, but I didn’t like it when people said Obamas rallies were paid for by the government. I may be wrong.

sobenji

(316 posts)
57. You want sources that RW nut jobs
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 01:44 PM
Oct 2018

Bitched about the government having to pay
For Obama’s campaign rallys?

Seriously?

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
58. Actually, that's not what I asked for..
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 02:00 PM
Oct 2018

for example, thetylt.com, which doesn't appear to have a RW bias, said the following:

"It's not totally unusual for a sitting president to hold campaign rallies, but Trump has already held 24 rallies since the 2016 election. President Obama had his first post-inaugural rally nearly six months into his presidency, which specifically focused on garnering support for a fellow Democrat's re-election campaign. President Trump's rallies, on the other hand, do not appear to be designed to support other candidates or push specific policy objectives."

So the only rally President Obama attended in the first six months of his presidency was not for himself. Unlike Mango Mussolini, who routinely uses millions of taxpayer dollars for his MAGA lovefests and golf trips.


[link:https://thetylt.com/politics/donald-trump-campaign-rallies-post-election|

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
39. Republicans have been like this for years
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:49 PM
Oct 2018

I was roughed up at a George Bush rally in Tacoma WA on Oct 27, 1988 for expressing my opinion about his tenure as Vice President

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
47. I can't help but think that this scene must've gone through Orwell's mind
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 09:07 AM
Oct 2018

when he wrote of Big Brother's "Two Minute Hate". At least attendance isn't mandatory. Yet.

Fla Dem

(23,690 posts)
49. Great article. But not sure we are paying for these rallies he attends.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 09:53 AM
Oct 2018

I suspect the candidate's campaign he is there to support, or the RNC pays for the rally. I do question who pays for the use of AF1.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
54. I believe this account. Our deterioration as a nation is proceeding apace.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:54 AM
Oct 2018

“You’re seeing the fruits of this angry rhetoric.” So says NY Governor Cuomo just now, being interviewed by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer about the horrifying and deeply disturbing domestic terrorism that played out today.

And that is very sadly true. This monster has connected with the monsters within all of us. Some people have little bitty monsters that can be easily suppressed and driven away. Others have boiling, roiling acres of Hell inside, in some cases mere microns below the surface, that are finally being allowed to explode out into the open. They’re tired of being told “that’s not nice” or “be polite!” or “ keep that nasty stuff to yourself” or “if you can’t say anything nice about somebody else, don’t say anything at all”.

Maybe it all started at three years old - hatred and resentment toward Mom when she told you you had to eat those vegetables or you couldn’t hit your sister or you weren’t allowed outside to play til you cleaned up your room. Are these yesterday’s two-year-olds, stomping their little feet and bellowing “nobody is the boss of ME!” except that they’re grown up now and they can drive drunk if they want and load up on all the guns they can eat, or hang that hate rag up in public and heckle black people just trying to mind their own business, and regard every woman they see as a c-word who’s theirs to molest or rape or otherwise degrade.

One thing trump has definitely done is to validate the demons within, and give license to unleash those demons in all the rest of us. It’s not only okay to have those feelings and opinions. You’re allowed, even encouraged, to let your inner monster out to run wild, and run amok all over everyone else. Don’t keep those monsters stifled and corked up anymore. Be out ‘n’ proud of it ALL.

On edit - it just struck me that this is prowhat they mean about “freedom.” They AND their “worse, baser ‘angels’” have been unleashed. Now they’re “free” to be total unrestrained ASSHOLES. Must feel just great to be “liberated” like that, ‘eh? You don’t have to be considerate of anybody else, especially those you oppose or don’t like. Now they have permission and validation from trump. HE’S the one who make it okay to let their demons out into the open.

No wonder they damn near worship him.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
55. So - Sympathy for the Devil, Eh?
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 11:14 AM
Oct 2018

I wonder how many evangelicals and so-called "born again Christians" were there at that rally, totally oblivious to his choice of theme song, cheering Trump on?

That guy Salim had a lot of courage to attend, and especially to wave that banner.

These rallies of Trump's, which get scarier and scarier as the midterm elections get nearer and nearer, resemble the political tantrums of a two year old - or of Linda Blair's devil child in The Exorcist as the exorcising priests step up their efforts. Trump's only real hope as these midterms approach is a tsunami of right wing violence to drown out any legitimately elected blue wave that might sweep into congress. And cheating, suppression and violence is all that his morally and politically bankrupt Republican party have to offer the American voter as we go into these midterm elections. Make no mistake about that.

Ginger42

(59 posts)
56. I thought Missoula was an odd choice for Trump
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 12:42 PM
Oct 2018

Missoula is a blue island in a red state. I didn't think he'd draw the usual rabid crowd. I was wrong. You were actually thrown out just for having a Tester sign? Wow. Then again, they love the Second Amendment so much they don't bother to read the First.

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