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(46,736 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 04:53 PM Oct 2018

NAACP: Georgia votes for Democrat Stacey Abrams are being changed to Republican Brian Kemp

The Georgia NAACP is filing a complaint claiming that votes for Democratic candidate Stacey Abrams in that state's race for governor have been changed to Republican candidate Brian Kemp.

The NAACP's state conference electronically filed complaints with the Georgia Secretary of State's office (which is held by Kemp himself) claiming that votes cast for Abrams in Bartow and Dodge counties were initially registered to Kemp, according to USA Today. As of Tuesday, the Georgia NAACP also had plans to file additional complaints in Henry and Cobb counties, likewise claiming that votes intended for Abrams had initially been changed to Kemp. Eight voters in total are alleging that they noticed their votes had been changed.

"We’ve experienced this before. They ended up taking these old dilapidated machines out of service. The ones giving the problems. They should have been replaced about 10 years ago," Phyllis Blake, president of the Georgia NAACP, told USA Today. The paper included this troubling story from a Georgia voter named Pamela Grimes:

Grimes said she went to a polling site in Bartow County Thursday and tried to select Abrams, but the machine marked the box for Kemp. Grimes said she tried several times to clear the selection before it allowed her to vote for Abrams.

https://www.salon.com/2018/10/24/naacp-georgia-votes-for-democrat-stacey-abrams-are-being-changed-to-republican-brian-kemp/

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NAACP: Georgia votes for Democrat Stacey Abrams are being changed to Republican Brian Kemp (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 OP
Confiscate the machines! Paper ballots! lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #1
Here in Washington State Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #12
How much cheating are the republicans allowed? triron Oct 2018 #2
In other words... PSPS Oct 2018 #3
TOTAL BULLSHIT bluestarone Oct 2018 #4
Before you leap to the conclusion that the machines are "rigged"..... brooklynite Oct 2018 #5
Are there any reports of the reverse happening? How many simply didn't notice? Garrett78 Oct 2018 #10
Regardless of what shows up on the screen, there is no way to tell whether a vote will be counted as diva77 Oct 2018 #16
ty diva for accurately pointing out that citizens are not allowed to questionseverything Oct 2018 #21
Intentionally messing with the calibration IS rigging dansolo Oct 2018 #19
Don't jump to conclusions gratuitous Oct 2018 #6
Yep Gregory Peccary Oct 2018 #9
That is more than likely the only buttons they test. LiberalArkie Oct 2018 #11
Take a look... brooklynite Oct 2018 #18
you are misrepresenting brenan centers views questionseverything Oct 2018 #20
he'll steal the election, barbtries Oct 2018 #7
These assholes. There are names assigned to the votes, aren't there? Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #8
Nope. Not in Georgia GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #13
I voted yesterday in NM. No way was my name associated with my ballot. triron Oct 2018 #15
Voters there need to WARNED about this problem BEFORE bluestarone Oct 2018 #14
***PEOPLE ON DU HAVE BEEN SAYING THE MACHINES ARE HACKABLE FOR YEARS !!!*** uponit7771 Oct 2018 #17

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
12. Here in Washington State
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 07:57 PM
Oct 2018

we vote by mail. I wish every state did this.

To others, I say this: investigate what it takes to change HOW your state votes. Start action committees. If necessary, file petitions. Get those signatures. Take it to the Legislature. But, get those changes made.

We have GOT to have a unified system of voting in this country that is tamper-proof. One of these days, that is going to be VITAL to saving our democracy.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
5. Before you leap to the conclusion that the machines are "rigged".....
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:04 PM
Oct 2018

This is much more likely the result of sloppily calibrated machines buy patronage election workers. If you're brilliant enough to program machines to flip votes, you're brilliant enough not to tip off the voter.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
16. Regardless of what shows up on the screen, there is no way to tell whether a vote will be counted as
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:06 PM
Oct 2018

cast. Voting cannot be "observed" when computers are part of the voting process- whether the computer is recording votes or tabulating them. The software is proprietary and the machines are never checked for defects, malicious code, etc.

BTW what is a "patronage election worker" ?

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
21. ty diva for accurately pointing out that citizens are not allowed to
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:47 PM
Oct 2018

oversee the counting, tabulating or reporting of votes in these states were no paper is used

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
19. Intentionally messing with the calibration IS rigging
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 06:50 AM
Oct 2018

Why is it that there never seems to be bad touch screen calibrations that seem to favor Democrats? Why do you assume something was sloppily done as opposed to being intentionally miscalibrated?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Don't jump to conclusions
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oct 2018

It's just an amazing coincidence that the only reports of vote-changing just happen to be Democrat-to-Republican.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
18. Take a look...
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 09:44 PM
Oct 2018


"If you were actually trying to rig an election, it would be a very stupid thing to do, to let the voter know that you were doing it," says Larry Norden, with the Brennan Center for Justice in New York.

https://www.npr.org/2016/10/26/499450796/some-machines-are-flipping-votes-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyre-rigged


But I'm sure anonymous bloggers know more that a major voting rights institution

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
20. you are misrepresenting brenan centers views
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 03:43 PM
Oct 2018
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/10/only-paper-ballots-by-2020-call-experts-after-election-tampering/


An expert panel at the National Academy of Sciences has called for sweeping election reforms, including one, specific recommendation that should come as no surprise: use paper.

From Thursday’s announcement about the report’s release:

All local, state, and federal elections should be conducted using human-readable paper ballots by the 2020 presidential election.

And what about the mid-terms, right around the corner in November? Yes, let’s try to get paper ballots for that one, too, the panel said. Let’s try our best to stay away from all the technologies that we’ve got in place now, because they’re full of holes:

Ballots that have been marked by voters should not be returned over the internet or any network connected to it, because no current technology can guarantee their secrecy, security, and verifiability.

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Given that the indictment mentions five times the number of affected voters than we’d heard about in the Illinois breach, it’s looking like the 2016 tampering “went deeper than we’d understood,” Norden said. As Wired’s Kim Zetter has pointed out, the indictments suggest that the 2016 attacks may have been an afterthought, given that the vendor and state board of election attacks came mid-election, in June through October 2016, months after the attacks on the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Norden:

We would be wise to assume future attacks will involve more advanced planning. Combine this with the fact that the Russians undoubtedly learned information from their 2016 efforts, and there is reason to believe future attacks on our election infrastructure could be far more damaging.

As of March 2018, 13 states were still using at least some direct-recording electronic voting machines, that lack a paper trail, as their primary polling place equipment, “making audits in these states impossible.” Norden reports.

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the point is NO ONE KNOWS if the count the machine spits out is accurate or not

with out proof or a confession the center can not attribute the inaccuracy to cheating when it could just be the machines are poor products but

what we do know is these inaccurate machines have been deliberately left in place for over a decade since the problem has been discovered

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
7. he'll steal the election,
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 05:22 PM
Oct 2018

everyone will know it, and nothing will happen. it's too frustrating for words, and so WRONG.

Unless...so many, many people vote for Abrams it won't work.

stress case here.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. These assholes. There are names assigned to the votes, aren't there?
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 07:37 PM
Oct 2018

That's how they track how people have voted. The name of the voter is recorded somewhere.

I hope there's a way to confirm the votes. Such a waste of time and effort and money...just trying to have a fair election. Farrightwingnut America.

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
14. Voters there need to WARNED about this problem BEFORE
Wed Oct 24, 2018, 08:35 PM
Oct 2018

proceeding to vote! Are there any Democrats around there that can do this?

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