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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"... If you're 55 or older, you're okay...".. and other fairy tales
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First of all, "let's examine the "you're okay" part.
If you are UNDER 55 you are definitely NOT okay.
Let's assume you are 40, and have been "under-employed" for a while now.
Your house is probably seriously underwater (if you still have or ever had a house of your own that you were buying).
You probably have a few kids too... and your parents are probably still alive. Some of you may even still have a grandparent alive.
You probably want your kids to have a shot at college.
If you have a 401k at work, you might end up with $100K if everything works out "great". but many bosses have stopped matching, or costs of healthcare have forced many employees to even not fund their share fully.
Even with SS & Medicare, the aging of parents is going to hit you in the wallet eventually, at the same time (probably) as your kids might be heading to college/community college. You'd probably like to be able to help them too. There will be little chance of using the house as a cash cow to cushion the blow of borrowing money for college. That ship has sailed.
Most people live & work in areas that have little or no public transit, so you probably have at least one car.
Even if you still have a "decent" family income, one serious illness/accident involving ANY family earner can wipe out whatever savings you might have accumulated.
At 40, you have approximately 30 years to set aside whatever you must live on until you die...and while you are saving/investing, you still have to fund all the costs associated with living in the here and now.
If you have no 401-k and use an IRA, good luck with that. At $5k per year, that works out to a whopping $150K plus whatever 0.01222% interest works out to, plus a coupon (the "reformed" Medicare plan) for health care bought at age 70 (which is probably what retirement age will be by the time you get to retire, will be).
If your house is miraculously paid off by then, you will still probably have to come up with at least $200 a month for insurance & taxes, and another $200 or so for utilities, and then there is food, which will be at least $200 a month. We're already at $600. For at least a while, you will probably be needing a vehicle, so the expenses for that continues.
If you have lost your house, or are a renter, those payments continue.
People without pensions rely on SS, part time jobs and savings to live on.
Social Security is TAXABLE too.
When your "now" income ends, you will probably be living on half the money you now earn.
If you are 40 and can afford to put away $416.67 a month, and never touch it until you are 70, you can withdraw $1k a month for 12.5 years.. (you better hope you don't live much more than that )
Can you do it?
Here's the rub...
MANY people suffer unemployment, for months/years at a time...many others' TAKE-HOME pay cannot sustain $100 a week into savings. ($12hr x 32 hours = $384 gross pay).
spanone
(135,862 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,471 posts)health coverage.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I mean, when you are 67, and sick ... you have lots of free time to SHOP around ... its a FUN retirement activity!!!
The GOP is insane.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)One daughter is 33 and makes $16/hr. in an LP position. 401K? How much can she put away in her 401K? LITTLE TO NONE. All her salary goes to rent, car insurance, gas, and eating.
My younger daughter is married and a former Teacher, married to a Teacher who makes $60,000. They bought a house when they married (big mistake) BEFORE she lost her job. They are STRUGGLING to pay that mortgage, and other bills, on just his salary. Forget CHILDREN, which the Religous Right thinks they should be having. They are having problems with just 2 of them. Invest? What days don't they eat? Don't pay the mortgage? My son-in-law had a major scare this June when they almost shut down his school, and slated 15 teachers for elimination. Although he is has tenue, he is young, and was the first selected to keep his job.
They cannot ask "Mommy and Daddy" to start their own business. Mommy and Daddy cannot fund their own retirment or health insurance. Too bad they cannot start their own for profit school. Maybe someday they could be millionairs and CEO of their own for profit schools. Yeah, right. Romney and Ryan are going to HELP THEM? How? Take away her BC so she can make lots of babies instead of trying to find a job? Oh, maybe she should just "cross her legs" to her husband, if they don't want any "blessings" right.
My older daughter? Beg on the streets, or with her biopolar and bad bad? DIE if you are not one of the ELITE.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)The decision means those 55 and above would not be subject to a cut in their promised starting Social Security benefit when they retire, as younger Americans are expected to face.
In political terms, it also indicates a White House decision to ease the concerns of a politically pivotal group as it seeks to build public and congressional support for far-reaching changes in the Depression-era program...
rocktivity
scorpiogirl
(717 posts)and my husband's life story of the last four years (40 and under).
He's currently unemployed and not eligible for unemployment because his last position was a contract, they wouldn't do W-2.
We rent, have already lost our 401k and some money I got when my mom passed. $20,000+ in debt to credit cards we can no longer pay that we lived on for a while , etc. All of this due to long term unemployment starting in 2008. We use to live on cash only because we'd been in debt a few times and didn't want to go back there. Now I can't even imagine ever getting out of it.
My answer, not likely.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)If you've spent time schlepping an older relative to the doctor, you're acutely aware of just how much they rely on Medicare. And if you're a parent looking at your "baby" who's now 45 or 50 or 55 and starting to age and have health problems, you're not going to want to toss 'em under the bus.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)tend Republican .. add that to human nature and let's hope people do think of others.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)They're doing all they can to make it look less nasty, but listen up 57-58 year olds, it means you
lib2DaBone
(8,124 posts).. the politicians have used Social Security as their own private Piggy Bank..,.. to give themselves pay raises, extravagant vacations and perks.
Now.. they don't want to pay it back.
Their plan? Issue a bunch of worthless paper vouchers in place of your hard-earned money.
Go to the Social Security Web Site, download a copy of your benefits and contributions report. Put this report in a safe place.
Once the switch is made to worthless paper vouchers.. there will be NO RECORD of your account and you will be left out in the cold.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)statement. Wondering if that's just the increase since I last checked or if there is different information - as in - it's disorganized. Probably not but anyway.