If the quote that CNN reported is accurate, Trump is using baseless rhetoric, but he's not calling for violence...

So, typical unhinged idiocy from Trump.

his base/followers HEAR him calling for it.

It is NOT 'baseless rhetoric.'

If he said something like "And now I want you all to go out and kill FILL IN THE BLANK," that that's a different matter.

Is he culpable, to a degree, for what his followers do? Of course.

Is he guilty? That's a less obvious question and answer.

Seriously, impeachable crimes are whatever congress says they are, including High Crimes and Dereliction of Duty. (And lying.)

True, but sedition was in the OP. Check the edit history.

The SC doesn't vote on impeachment, however.

An even Justice Parrothead may blanch at trying to ignore whatever ends up in the Mueller reports.

Don't disagree, but that's nothing new, is it?

Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?

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which reinforces the point: words have meaning. Use them wisely.

still here????

This comment makes me do this



“I think bad things would happen, I really do,” Trump said. “I believe that. I wouldn’t lead it but I think bad things would happen.”


Sounds to me he is Inciting violence but don't blame me. What a POS.

by antifa, etc., if they take over Congress & start overturning all the Repubs have done. I guess he means they're going to be drunk with power as they rain violence down on the Repubs?

Yep ... in other words, however appalling the rhetoric from Tiny Donny is currently, this doesn't cross the line into impeachable offenses, certainly not sedition as suggested in the OP before it as edited.

could be construed as a call to his lunatic fringe supporters for violence now to keep Democrats from voting, or to send a signal that they're willing to give their lives in support of the orange baby who had everything in life handed to him. Trump overturned almost every good thing Obama did in his 8 years, and there wasn't a single act of violence because of it. But now that his earth shattering (literally) decisions have been been made there's no recourse to repeal them? Science, facts and history are on our side. Trump is wrong, but his supporters want to make us thoroughly aware that if we undo the damage he's done, that we'll be dead wrong.

"and if you have to do a little punching on the way, well, whatever...."

It's his old "accuse the other side of YOUR own faults."

Now, will Tiny Donny end up being whipped for his sins?

No, my guess is his end will be a lot less pleasant. Henry, after all, remained king.

If I had to bet, Donny ends up a senile, incontinent old man who dies in prison. Petain is the best analogue, I think.

Though I think Mussolini had a more fitting end.

those that are think he is....

Indeed ... but that doesn't rise to the what's needed to charge someone with "sedition or dereliction of duty," which is what the OP posted.

However, high crimes and misdemeanors "can" cover a lot of ground, including - essentially - lack of political tenability, which is what got the the attention of Goldwater, Rhodes, and Scott and led them to tell Nixon his support on the Hill had collapsed.

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saying there are crimes which probably wouldn't be impeachable (like DUI, not that a president would ever drive himself), and some non-crimes that WOULD be impeachable, specifically "dereliction of duty," if the president just stopped doing any work and spent all his time on the golf course (which is what we're close to).

True, but I will give Tiny Donny some credit for cunning...

He is an idiot, but he is also self-aware enough to avoid actually saying something that makes him directly responsible... face it, his entire life has been of avoiding responsibility.

damn well did.

Leftists have guns, too.

Power and Ignorance

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Believing he is above the law--no, that he IS the law.

a republican loss is to be viewed as an attack on him and his followers because "they" will overturn everything (to this mind) he views as a success. Which is to be read overturn "our way of life" since the subtext to Trump's "make america great again" is a dog whistle.

He mentions antifa for the deliberate purpose of presenting a target as well as a way to sow more fear.

He conflates the "they" that will overturn stuff with antifa - since antifa can't overturn legislation, so the "they" that can has to be Democrats in congress since a republican loss means a Democratic win.

So, yes, Trump is calling for violence simply by claiming the other side is going to cause violence. If you tell a crowd of people who live in fear as Trump zombies do that there will be violence from the other side then the zombies will react.

So now there doesn't even have to be violence from the other side for the zombies to be on the ultra defensive (because they are always on the defense) and people who react will act before being acted upon.

He'll claim he was just trying to get them to vote - but the whole if we lose "they" will bring violence coupled with the use of antifa to stoke the fear shows the underlying intent.

Trump always pushes his followers to act out - always has. From attacking protesters to attacking the press at his rallies. Trump gets a kick out of how far he can push them into doing things. He enjoys the power he has over them - he speaks - they act. He likes that.

His Charlottesville comments that there were “fine people” on both sides which included tiki torch wielding chanters that “the Jews will not replace us” and his attacks on George Soros and “internationalists” and refugees more of the same. And just last night at one of his brown shirt rallies boasting he’s a “nationalist” He knows what he’s doing and it’s evil and what we’ve seen this week and in the last year with the sharp rise in antsemitic and racial attacks is the predictable result. But of course like the coward that he is he has others do his dirty work while he maintains technical deniability, but that is his intent like all fascists throughout history.

In the full clip, he's not urging or even predicting that the Trumpanzees will get violent if Republicans lose power in Congress. Instead, he says that the Democrats will undo everything he's done. (I wish that were true.) Then he says this will happen violently -- because he conflates Democratic candidates with Antifa, then says that Antifa are "violent people".

IOW, if the election results give the left more power to act through the system, i.e. nonviolently, then the left will begin to act violently.

Of course, in the real world it's the other way around. If the GOP retains its Congressional majorities, then some people who are currently nonviolent will conclude that the electoral route doesn't work and that the only effective course is violence.

to ameliorate his statement seriously needs to look up the term "dog-whistle".

To me, it's more of a dog-foghorn, but apparently people's mileage varies ...

Except criminal charges and impeachment requires more than your opinion.

Rhetoric is what the GOP does; we are supposed to be the ones who actually understand reason, rationality, and the meaning or words.

Trump's thinking is so abhorrent to everything this country stands for. He must leave. And take his idiot lackeys with him.

by RWNJ from now on. He is telling people to harm others. He is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE!

he is responsible, when have you ever heard threats towards top Democratic leaders to the point of pipe bombs????? He is pushing for civil unrest. Putin's goal.

This SOB has got to go.

He has done so much damage to the country in less than two years I can only imagine what is in store for us when the Dems go after him on top of Mueller getting closer.

And raised on hate. But the fat Con doesn’t know history. History has taught us that appeasing this behavior will doom us and so we will fight him.

And his fucking stooge in the WH is delivering just that....

If he thinks it would have a good outcome, he will be sadly mistaken.

If they were to send Russian troops, I definitely would enjoy shooting at them.

Everything Putin has done in the last 10-15 years has been to destabilize the west. It's his wet dream.

Everything the traitorous Imbecilic asshole in the WH has done in the last 2 years has helped accomplish Putins wet dream.

An American civil war (at any level, including low level) has Putin achieving his goals. Hell, he declared last week we are no longer the moral leader of the world. "It's almost done" were his words about American destruction.

He won't have to send troops. DOTURDS followers will do the job for him. When you have IMBECILIC, MAGA moron, ANTI AMERICAN rubes like this:
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YOU DON'T NEED TROOPS.

With nuclear submarines and Air Force still intact.

I will support them 100 pct.

Forcing out Mattis will be a very BAD move for Dotard.

It may take a military coup to stop the madness perpetrated by the IMBECILE.

Most of the military is, as you note, anti-Russian. However, the vast majority of the US military is VERY CONSERVATIVE. Right wing.
I wonder where their loyalties lie once the shit starts to collapse.

My overall point is.........Putin has to be loving the bomb threats, the Pittsburgh Jewish massacre, etc. .etc..etc..

Plays right into his objectives and he has a willing stooge in the White House.

FUCKING DISGUSTING.

They do take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

Boils down to how seriously they take that oath. I am not in favor of a military coup d’etat....yet.

Putin loves the chaos, but it is a big wild card and at some point no one would be able to control it, even him. If the US decends into chaos, it will set off a worldwide depression that will make the Great Depression look like a walk in park. Russia is nothing more than a big gas station and would not weather a worldwide depression well.

We may end up in a world wide depression, and it may have nothing to do with Putins aggression. It may have more to do with Doturds tax cuts and US monetary policy.
It's only happened like, what ...a dozen of times before????

That being said, I believe you are correct. Russia (it's people, anyway..) would suffer greatly in a depression. However, Putin may likely emerge from that catastrophe as the next "messiah" to save the world. It may even be his plan. After all, he is estimated to be the worlds' richest individual currently at around $200B net worth.

Putin chucking to the curb Dotard, Nunes, and the rest of the useful idiots (i.e. the current Republican Party) would be his next move. A move done without a second thought.

Whether or not we have any "true" patriots left in America by then.............well let's just say I have my doubts.

Even after today - and earlier this week. The hate comes from him, the calls for violence come from him. Why does anyone even ask him how this can be stopped? He needs to stop, but he's a bigot and a racist and calls for hate and violence everywhere he goes!

Until after the election.

....people in the entire Repug leadership.

Immediate power and money is all they see---not even the future of thie own children matters to them.

Is there a difference in interpretation?

I consider that he was talking about republican violence but the panel seems to be denying democrat violence.

That asshole makes me sick, sick sick!

will set the cult on fire. They will feel threatened because they know it’s the beginning of the end for them. The beginning of the end of Dear Leader. It could be more dangerous than ever. He will send his minions out to do his bidding.

are already doing his bidding.

I’m fearful they are capable of more.

if they gain control. Antifa and others.

Another one of those speeches trying to accuse the Democrats of what the Republicans actually are (violent).

That's what makes this a dog-whistle (see my earlier reply above).

to prevent all the supposed violence that antifa and other Democrats are going to rain down upon the country.

AND distract from the current Trump-related murder going on.

He's an idiot, but he knows full well what he's doing when it comes to demagoguery, and he doesn't give a damn who gets hurt as long as it's not him.

"someone" it should be "somebodies" with our VOTES.

we have violence now.

it's going to get very serious here.... way past strong rhetoric, it is going to potentially get VERY UGLY.

Caspar Milktoasts had better get ready to suck it up and grow a pair.

and use democracy to repudiate his team.

Most surprising.

Just ask Bill Clinton.

Imagine what will happen with a Trump defeat in 2020 because if he chooses to run and loses he will not go quietly with a loss, but with kicking and screaming and threats and inflammatory rhetoric for his followers, some who will surely respond with violence.

that gives him and the right an opportunity to ... frankly, legitimately ... say that the media treats him/Trump unfairly. In his lead in, Wolf Blitzer presents this as if Trump is clearly threatening violence against us -- the left. To be perfectly honest and objective, that is not what he said (though he has and will continue to incite violence against us if that's what he thinks it takes to defeat us; which it is hard to dispute that he does).

My point: Wolf Blitzer should stop giving the Right ammunition.

We complain about RW BS -- we should be careful to not hand them clear "both sides do it" arguments.

designed to perpetuate and expand his power and personality cult. He does not work for this nation. He works for Putin, and for his own megalomaniac ambitions. He sees his immediate family as a future ruling dynasty ensuring immeasurable wealth and power spanning the globe.

What you wrote summarizes perfectly

Violent partying in the street. It won't compare to the violence when we throw him out. The street parties will be violently Off The Hook, out of happiness.

What he does not mention in the video is his own supporters and the increasing violence on their part. The bomber.

The sad truth is Trump anticipates violence and seems to be trying to deflect scrutiny from his supporters and put it on Antifa.

The sad truth is there may well be blood in the streets before this sad, sick chapter of our history is over and done. Trump is a tiny, orange malignant tumor that has metastasized across the whole nation in gun violence, political violence, racism, xenophobia and so on. The guy radiates hatred and divisiveness.

Let's just all hope there isn't another Holocaust, because it really could happen with these sociopaths.

As soon as they say no to him he'll be threatening to hurt them too. He'll keep demanding they fill in the blank , getting more and more extreme until their refuse , then he'll turn on them too. He has a long history of doing just that to others. He acts like your his best friend only to find out he lied all along, he isn't. He's using you , using bait and switch , and lots of propaganda. He's doing this to businesses, people, groups, his party followers, and more, and anyone who refuses him he switches and then they regret ever knowing him.

If there is violence after the Republicans lose the House, it will be because of HIM!

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Call out the Republicans for not doing anything. Put pressure on them to do something about trump and his violent rhetoric. They of course won't do anything but that's not the point. It will remind people that the republicans need to be voted out! Put pressure on the republicans, especially right before the midterms! I hate to sound like a broken record, but where are the Dems?? They need to go on the attack. If not, we will continue to have a republican congress and another 4 years of trump.

high crime and misdemeanor. He is dangerous and as a result, unfit.