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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/squirrel-hill-shooting-trump-anti-semitism-america.html...We have been told over and over that we are not to take this President literally, or seriously, or jokingly, or truthfully, even though he daily shows his supporters who he is, and they not only believe in him, they quite literally believe him. For too long we have been trapped in a cycle of figuring out how to talk about a president who is neither truthful nor presidential, who cheerfully labels Democrats as evil and gleefully leads chants about locking up the very people who were the recipients of bombs at their homes. How does one even begin to explain to ones children what it means that the president denounces violence and division as he foments both, on an hourly basis? Perhaps we can look to Florida for a tip. Last week the states gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum said that because Neo Nazis and white supremacists were supporting and campaigning for and contributing to his opponent Ron DeSantis, perhaps it was time to stop talking about causation entirely. Im not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, he said. Im simply saying the racists believe hes a racist.
The formulation is useful because it reframes a pointless debate about what leaders dog whistles really mean into a debate about what their followers end up believing. If what is said no longer matters, we can perhaps still evaluate what is heard. In the current ontological meltdown, there is no point in debating what leaders actually meanthey are affirmatively telling us that they lie constantlybut what we can and should focus on is what kind of people they ask their followers to be. Do they ask their adherents and admirers to see the best in others? Do they ask them to find common ground?
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...Perhaps instead of wasting another day on the pointless cycle of whether people who tweet racist, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant and anti minority statements actually cause anti-Semitic, anti immigrant and anti minority attacks or just stoke what was there to begin with, we should content ourselves with the accepting that this is actually beside the point. The point is that people who hate Jews and immigrants and minorities believe that when they commit violence against these people, they are behaving as the followers their president wants them to be. Do all or most of the Presidents fans believe this? Certainly not. But we have we seen far too many of them performing on the words the president puts out there. And it doesnt matter who is responsible because he accepts no responsibility no matter what. It does matter what we do next...
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,389 posts)The article presents no facts to support the following:
"Do all or most of the Presidents fans believe this? Certainly not. "
I've seen no data to demonstrate that "most" of that thing's fans do not "believe that when they commit violence against [Jews and immigrants and minorities], they are behaving as the followers their president wants them to be". News reports showing the rallies and activities of intimidation outside of rallies suggest that his fans believe exactly that.
world wide wally
(21,751 posts)This is something he has learned in his many legal entanglements. He is convinced that if he words things in certain ways, he can avoid direct responsibility for the.
Example: I never said to kill him, I just said that we would all be better off if he was dead. Listen closely for this and you will see what I mean.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)He simply is not that smart.
world wide wally
(21,751 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)This is the phrasing we should be using.
I'm not saying that Reagan was a racist, but the racists thought he was a racist.
I'm not saying that George Wallace was a racist, but the racists thought he was a racist.
I'm not saying that Trump is a racist, but the racists think he is a racist.
I'm not saying that Tucker Carlson is a racist, but the racists think he is a racist.
I'm not saying that Limbaugh is a racist, but the racists think he is a racist.
I'm not saying that Rupert Murdoch is a racist, but the racists think the network he controls is racist.
More of this, please!
John Fante
(3,479 posts)I've never gotten a straight answer to these questions: If Trump isn't racist, why do the racists love him so?
Why did the KKK endorse him for POTUS?" They hadn't endorsed a candidate in decades.
What is it about Trump's totally-not-racist rhetoric that enamors David Duke types such?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)but I sure as hell think hes a fucking racist. That doesnt make me a damn racist though!