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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI suspect that the problems with the voting machines in TX is due to a crappy interface
I don't believe that the machines were tampered with to change the votes. I believe that the design of the interface makes it easy to make the wrong selection, probably because it is laggy. Using a wheel control to make selection is very imprecise. So technically it is probably user error, but it is user error caused by a really bad interface.
I haven't used these voting machines, but my guess would be that the design of the wheel makes it easy to register an extra step, and that carries over into the Senate candidate selection, which would then pick Ted Cruz.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)ZZenith
(4,125 posts)The original poster gives no valid reason for believing as they do and even less for stating their belief.
Ridicule is all thats left to a thinking person.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)People vary greatly in height and finger size and that can affect touch points calibrated by someone of significantly different height and finger size
That said. Theyre horrible for a voting system. Absolutely horrible. Nothing wrong with the ol Scantron type ballot
Hugin
(33,177 posts)They press too hard and a 'swipe' is beyond their abilities.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)If the machines were actually sabotaged I doubt people would see it.
Everyone should have paper ballots with electronic readets
dansolo
(5,376 posts)The interface is controlled by a wheel to move between items and a button to select. If a person were to turn the wheel to select the Democratic straight ticket and turned it a little too far, then it is possible that an extra step would be registered. The next item after the straight ticket selection is the Senate line for Ted Cruz. It wouldn't go the other way because of the way the controls work.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)These are the same machines we use in OC CA. Basically detents on mechanical wheel. They always feel clunky when using. Think about it as a wheel with the clock positions being the stops. It rests at 12. You roll to the 1 position to go to the next choice, go slightly past and the software picks up the next choice. So you are rolling forward/back to make the correct pick. It is critical that you watch closely to make sure that when you are turning the wheel you haven't moved slightly past your required choice.
That being said, it somewhat pisses me off that the standard user error excuse is made. It is technically user error but the wheel/interface design sucks. The movement of the wheel requires a bit of a spin, too far and you make the wrong choice. Also, they have years of experience with these machines so they would know positioning on the ballot would have an impact on how many incorrect votes to expect.
Ms. Toad
(34,085 posts)If you miss the straight democratic ticket mark, and only vote for the next item (Cruz), then you didn't select straight Democratic ticket - so you would have to vote individually for every other Democrat.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)The result of your scenario would be one vote for Cruz and no vote for any other race. The scenario you propose is not compatible with what is being reported, a straight ticket Democratic ballot with Cruz selected, or a straight ticket Republican ballot, with no vote for the Senate race.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... and still work for children today.
One machine maybe 2 or 3 on purpose.
Apple or Samsung can get touchscreens right on a far larger scale with a lower failure rate
dansolo
(5,376 posts)This isn't a calibration issue. The selections are controlled with a wheel and a button.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... ticket dem
dansolo
(5,376 posts)The way that the machines work, selecting a straight ticket apparently just pre-selects all of the candidates from that party. Individual candidates can be changed before getting to the summary screen.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... I've heard about and seen this before.
malaise
(269,144 posts)Seriously
dalton99a
(81,565 posts)Maine-i-acs
(1,499 posts)Can't fat-finger that one, it has to be hardwired.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)A bad hardware design could cause an extra step to be registered by the wheel when selecting an item. I'm just pointing out that the software could register that step as selecting the next item on the ballot, which happens to be the line for Ted Cruz.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)The un-American GOP are just ripping peoples votes off.
Takket
(21,607 posts)i'll probably get flamed for this........ but if someone is going to "steal" votes by "hacking" a machine, do you really think they are going to SHOW you the wrong vote right on the screen for you to see? If someone is going to mess with votes they are going to mess with the totaling/adding that happens inside the machine, and you're never going to see it.
Ms. Toad
(34,085 posts)It's a point I've been making for years. If you have the sophistication to steal votes - and it is a lot harder than the demos in artificial settings make it appear - you have the sophistication to make it steal the votes silently (and you would do so, because you are far more likely to get away with it than drawing attention to the theft).
Ms. Toad
(34,085 posts)Voters select straight ticket - and instead of a straight ticket, in one race the selections are shifting. Beto to Cruz, and Cruz to no one.
That's not voter error. I don't believe it is vote stealing - but that is a programming error - not a crappy interface error. Crappy interface errors (and there are many out ther) would impact single votes - not the functionality of selecting all by choosing straight ticket.
I'm having a hard time sorting out how this error would work - as long as Cruz is properly programmed as a Republican and Beto is properly programmed as a Democrat, there would be no logical reason for all but one Democrat to be selected, and a Republican selected in his place. So that leaves me to wonder if they are improperly programmed - but that ought to impact the display (i.e. Beto should be appearing on the interface as a Republican - and I haven't heard of that problem.)
So, while i agree it's not vote stealing, but rather crappy machines/programming, I don't think it's the interface calibration that caused this particular problem.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)It is not a voter error, it is a programming error or cheat.
The error occurs when a straight ticket vote is selected. It does not occur when each each race is selected individually. That indicates that in the race for Senator, Cruz is the Democrat for Strait ticket voting and Beto is, well, nothing.
The problem with direct selection machines is there is no way to reliably replicate the actions of a human for testing purposes.
Minnesota uses paper ballots read by a tabulator machine. The same set of ballots can be run through the same machine multiple times or run through many machines to validate they are correctly reading the ballots. There is no way to duplicate a human touching a screen or scrolling a wheel.
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)The only acceptable interpretation is that this is an intentional hack that, apparently, the programmers were too stupid to hide...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ZZenith
(4,125 posts)and then later, if there is a problem, well speak up about it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)on the poll watchers nominated by your candidates.
Nothing is going to change, but your vote. That's the way it is, at the moment.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Sometimes, throwing it at the wall to see if it sticks IS entertaining, regardless of whether that's acceptable or not...
End Of The Road
(1,397 posts)I vaguely remember some toy from back then where you selected some barn animal sound on a wheel (somebody help me out here). The machine I voted on (in Texas) felt like a toy. I double checked my selections before finalizing my vote, but I left feeling insecure. The toy feeling didnt jive with the responsibility of voting.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)can result in all Democratic names except for Beto.
diva77
(7,652 posts)salvage peoples' votes is yet another way for rethugs to steal votes. If the malfunctions were working to the advantage of the dems, things would play out differently. The malfunctions have been mentioned for years as one of the vote stealing tactics.
Texasgal
(17,047 posts)but went through each one just to make sure.
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)No excuses, just negligence or corruption. The SoS's job is to make sure the voting system is fool-proof and it can be done, it's just NOT being one. Big surprise.
greyl
(22,990 posts)diva77
(7,652 posts)NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)This phenomenon of eSlates changing votes has been a problem since they were introduced around 2004. I think that it happens when you advance to the next page on the ballot. I think you're supposed to press a "Next Page" button but if you turn the wheel (which is what you do to select the next line on the ballot) instead the machine interprets that as changing the last voting selection. At any rate, it behooves the voter to review the summary page listing all the voting choices you've made before pressing Cast Ballot.
Like I said, this has been a long-running problem. I'm looking forward to Travis County scrapping the eSlates before the next election.