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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat sort of monster opens fire on senior citizens in
their place of worship?
What the fuck can make someone hate like that?
There are no words. This is the Mother Emanuel slaughter all over again.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)To put it in very simple terms that everyone can understand, a Nazi.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)A lot bigger population than 7 million Jewish people in the U.S.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Any person who truly believes that a Jewish billionaire paid 7,000 immigrates to travel 1,000 miles or so - is something mentally wrong with them. To blame a whole religion of same, is totally nutso. To kill them is insane, and I blame shithole, his fucked up family and administration and the fucked up GOPs.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)malaise
(269,144 posts)At Sandy Hook.
CharleyDog
(758 posts)their classmates slaughtered, climbed over their dead bodies to escape, or hid under a friend's dead body to prevent being killed - who believes these survivors are actors, have been paid to give their message of "No More"
Who believes this? Now, it's ordinary people tuning into their local RW radio. People I once knew and loved.
malaise
(269,144 posts)PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Monsters.
malaise
(269,144 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,095 posts)Trumps propaganda about refugee groups in Mexico is what caused this massacre.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,690 posts)And the rich won't hesitate to use them to keep us all stirred up instead of paying attention to the fact the rich are generally a bunch of parasites living off the labors of the many.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Why would even a hateful person think killing a small group in synagogue would make a difference?
malaise
(269,144 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,297 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:48 PM - Edit history (6)
If you do not know who these people are, please look them up..YES...They are the kind of monsters who would open fire on senior citizens in the place of worship.
Partial list of monsters, (last one most people do not know, nor do they care..)
Richard Benjamin Speck .... (killed 8 student nurses, July 14, 1966)
H. H. Holmes ............ (killed visitors to 1893 World's Fair)
John Wayne Gacy ...... (killed teenage boys in Chicago 1972-1978)
Jeffery Dahmer ..... (killed teenage 17 teenage boys in Milwaukee, cut them up 1978-1991)
Charles Whitman ..... (shot 16 people from Texas Tower, Aug 1, 1966, same day killed parents)
Charles Manson .......(committed series of 9 murders in 4 locations in 1969)
Ted Bundy ............. (killed numerous young women in the early 70s..30 plus)
John Chivington ........responsible for killing the hundreds of innocent people.perhaps more than all of above put together. Want to know more?..google "Massacre at Sand Creek"
..........................Chivington was in charge of killing innocent children and woman. read some more..
......................... but it is sickening...you have been warned..
malaise
(269,144 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:49 PM - Edit history (3)
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Killed 52 woman in what is now Ukraine...between 1978 - 1990..also may have killed woman in what is now Russia..(nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov) died by firing squad,
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:51 PM - Edit history (1)
Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin was a Soviet Russian Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD...link to some info on Blokhin is below:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin
Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.
Like John Chivington it was a military deal, so this is a bit different than our solo killers who thought the idea up on their own and went about it with their own private plan..and seem to enjoy the killing
So, Blokhin's work was that of Stalin. One has to read some to know that Stalin was one of the most ruthless and vicious individuals that has ever lived. I do not know if Stalin himself did a lot of murder, but this Blokhin, clearly killed thousands by his own hands. It is hard to know if he enjoyed the killing, but he did it and according to the article a Wikipedia, he did some of it on his own.
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Blokhin, as stated above, is different than the serial killers that have been listed ..We are not talking about killing 30 to 50 one at a time.. On orders from Stalin, he killed thousands..but killing is still killing This post is about ..Monsters who kill people At the end of the article is says Blokhin fell from grace, lost his rank died as a disgraced former general. Is he a monster that kills?..I would say so. A different kind of monster, YES,. but as has been said often before......... dead is still dead
Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)October 1, 2017..
malaise
(269,144 posts)Too many monsters
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:42 PM - Edit history (1)
malaise
(269,144 posts)This monster killed 11, the youngest of whom was in his 50s.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)malaise
(269,144 posts)Something is seriously wrong
VOX
(22,976 posts)No doubt a fair number of Trumpists are already positioned on this same dark spectrum they laughed about the mail bombs, they are filled with animosity toward anyone whos not a white Protestant male, and theyve drawn strength from Trumps bombastic statements and behavior, which has brought them out from the shadows and into mainstream culture.
With Trump in power (a magnet for insanity), surrounded top-to-bottom by loyal Republicans who have no problem with his daily spewing of hate and animosity, all in a country that encourages ownership of death-dealing military style weapons, its sadly no surprise that these tragedies have increased in frequency, along with the number of deaths in each incident.
n/t
The truth
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Cowardly suicidal sociopaths energized by someone who looks like them, speaking in terms they can follow, blaming others for their own failures, and allowed to possess arms no sane adult would entrust to a lunatic.
In other words, your typical Trump voter.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:19 AM - Edit history (2)
On February 14, 2018, a gunman opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, killing seventeen students and staff members and injuring seventeen others. Wikipedia
Start date: February 14, 2018, 2:18 PM CST
Number of deaths: 17
Location: Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, FL
Non-fatal injuries: 17
Here is a link on this one, Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting
Here is what Cruz said after he was captured: Here is a link to this story.. (story written on Aug 6, 2018) Sun - Sentinel) you can read the whole story if you wish..
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-nikolas-cruz-confession-20180806-story.html
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Just a few minutes after a Broward Sheriffs Office detective started interviewing the Parkland shooter about how he massacred 17 people, he offered the young man some cold water.
I dont deserve it, Nikolas Cruz told him.
The detective walked outside to get him some water anyway.
Kill me. Just f---ing kill me. F---, Cruz said, while he was alone in the interview room but still being recorded.
Cruz said he had been hearing a voice or demons speaking to him for years right up until that morning and the night before. He claimed it started after his dad died when he was little and that it had gotten worse since his mom died in November, three months before the shooting. He described it as the voice of a young man, about his age,
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)The monsters who do this seem to be white males who generally plan and do it alone. There are exceptions, as I found in the "military monsters" but what kind of person could kill innocent seniors in the place of worship? Sick, self centered, people who cannot center their thoughts on living day to day..(my opinion) These people focus on killing and the joy of killing. After the thrill is over, there often is remorse. Their minds are warped. They cannot stop themselves.
Link to more info on the Parkland Shooting on Feb, 14, 2018...Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting
Nicolas Cruz who killed 17 at Parkland H.S. in Florida on Feb 14, 2018, He was remorseful afterwards After this, there was some talk of passing strong legislation for gun control. The gun was purchased legally. Cruz had been expelled the year before.
...What is to be done.? If you look at the history, you will see many instances of this. It is not only killing senior citizens in their place of worship, it is more, much more. If we as a nation do not focus on solutions, gun control, mental health programs..(Cruz lost the help he was getting when he was expelled) and whatever works, like total background checks, and restrictions on buying these guns..then, (and this is very sad to say) this will happen again, as it happened on Saturday in a Jewish Temple.
..... Yes, Trump insights this, but it is much more than that. Availability of weapons, sick thinking, easy legal purchase, profit motive, a kind of attitude that "killing is ok" and much more. I am sorry this happened, but if you look at the lists, and what has happened in the past, the monsters are likely to strike again. One more thought....
This is not some kind of a movie, this is real. Dead is dead. Parkland, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Charleston South Carolina, etc. I am saddened by this horror, but I am frightened that this will happen again in the U.S.A. Right now, we have 330,000,000 people living in this country. (3rd or 4th most populous in the world) Many countries have strong laws and measures to prevent this. The U.S.A has the weakest laws.. We have millions of more guns than any other country. That is not some made up number or a cartoon, or a movie or some news report..This is the truth..
..If we do not enact strong measures to stop this, it is likely to happen again. and ..again..and again..and again...look at the lists of happenings...Yes this will happen again. When? Sometime in the not too distant future.... Remember ...Dead is Dead.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,590 posts)And what sort of news service would blame the worshipers for leaving their doors unlocked during the service?
malaise
(269,144 posts)The vile MAGAcretin, Don the Con
DFW
(54,426 posts)There are MANY more of them, and they are all armed, too.