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On 538: Take out Rasmussen's ridiculous poll and Trump's approval is - 13 (Original Post) Quixote1818 Oct 2018 OP
I prefer to use Nate's likely/registered NewsCenter28 Oct 2018 #1
interesting comparing donnie to other presidents. unblock Oct 2018 #2
There is really no comparison marylandblue Oct 2018 #3
+1, and we've been at full employment for years uponit7771 Oct 2018 #5
it will certainly be interesting to see the numbers in a recession. unblock Oct 2018 #9
Why does 538 ... CONTINUE ... to include rAssmussen !!?!? uponit7771 Oct 2018 #4
He's a data geek, he uses all available data marylandblue Oct 2018 #7
Silver warns against throwing out outliers. marylandblue Oct 2018 #6
correct NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #8
I think Silver is wrong about USC, but in his defense marylandblue Oct 2018 #10

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
1. I prefer to use Nate's likely/registered
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 03:52 PM
Oct 2018

Poll screen just to be safe but yeah by all means take Rasmussen’s screed out of that sample and probably almost equally as bad numbers will result.

unblock

(52,328 posts)
2. interesting comparing donnie to other presidents.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:00 PM
Oct 2018

none of the other presidents were underwater for more than a blip.

donnie consistently has had disapproval higher than approval for nearly his entire time in office, and usually by a wide margin.


you'd never know it the way the media covers him.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. There is really no comparison
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:12 PM
Oct 2018

No other president had such stable numbers. No matter what he does, he is always low 40s/high 30s. Ir's the mark of a personality cult and we've never had such a thing in US history.

unblock

(52,328 posts)
9. it will certainly be interesting to see the numbers in a recession.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 05:13 PM
Oct 2018

not that i want that, but it's widely predicted, and this expansion is already the longest on record.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. He's a data geek, he uses all available data
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:27 PM
Oct 2018

then massages it based on historical accuracy and partisan shift. His methodology requires that he not throw out data just because it looks bad. It's a common error in science and leads to bad results.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Silver warns against throwing out outliers.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:22 PM
Oct 2018

First, his methodology already gives a significant adjustment for Rasmussen, so you are adjusting an adjustment. Second, outliers are a sign of a functioning polling system. Since the polls each use different screens, you'd expect some to be way off. If they all said the same thing, it means they are herding, that is, changing their numbers for fear of looking wrong.

On the other side of the equation, USC/Dornslife uses a very different methodology from all others. It consistently rated Trump higher than all others in 2016 and consistently rates Democrats higher now. It showed a closer, more stable race than the others.

If USC/Dornslife is correct again, the Democrats will win in an epic landslide.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
8. correct
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 05:09 PM
Oct 2018

He rates Rasmussen a C+, but Gallup gets a B and they just had Trump tanking today. USC is rated a C as well as Rasmussen, though.

But, if you look at the "Adjusted" numbers for Rasmussen, it's 45 approve/50 disapprove.

Marist College is rated an A and has him at 39, his lowest among recent polls.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. I think Silver is wrong about USC, but in his defense
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 05:22 PM
Oct 2018

They don't have a long track record, so maybe they've just been lucky. But I do think they are on to something with their new approach, so if they are right, more pollsters will start doing it.

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