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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeriously, can the chief MF be sued for Calling Gillum a thief
With no evidence whatsoever?
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)Public figure exemption.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)The standard for public figures is higher but they are not exempt. In order to prove slander against a public figure, the plaintiff must prove both that the comment was untrue and that it was said with "malice," i e with an intentional disregard of ita falsity.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)"We all know Trump is being malicious" is not a legal standard.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)figure.
And, yes, malice is indeed a legal standard and, therefore, whether Trump acted maliciously IS a question for a judge or jury to decide. Whether the plaintiff can convince a jury that the case meets all of the elements of the offense is a different question. But a plaintiff would have a very strong case here.
FYI, "malice" in the legal sense doesn't mean the same as it does in common usage. In libel/slander context, "malice" means "reckless disregard of the truth."
And there is little question that Trump tweeted out that accusation against Gillum with a reckless disregard for whether it is true. That is why he later said in an interview, "In my opinion he's a stone cold thief." Obviously, his lawyers got to him and convinced him to try to clean up what he said earlier since there is little doubt that he opened himself up bigly to a slander claim - and, unlike most people he slanders, Gillum doesn't seem reluctant to sue his ass off.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)I have shared my opinion that trump is guilty of just about every crime except murder, burglary, robbery and molesting animals. Pathological liar, malignant narcissist...you get the picture.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)unblock
(52,328 posts)moreover, they've had the scotus for a long time.
we had an opportunity to take it back, but mcturtle prevented it.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Cha
(297,692 posts)blaming fucking scotus on the Democratic Party?!
Cha
(297,692 posts)Democratic Party.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Because i believe that when dems vote dems win
Chickensoup
(650 posts)of article 2.
The terrorist extremist right wing
If they win control they will suspend
and ultimately delete freedom of speech
from our vocabulary. Fuck fox News, rush and co for the lies and hate they spread.
And of course the biggest liar of them all.
dameatball
(7,399 posts)But that's just what we learned back in the 70's. I once had the privilege to have Carl Rowan visit my classroom post Watergate. He had some issues later, but at that time he was well respected.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)is that a private person only has to prove that a statement was untrue and harmful to them. A public figure requires a higher standard f proof - they must prove that the statement was untrue AND made with "reckless disregard" of the truth.
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)He wants libel laws changed. Of course he's too ignorant to know that he would be sued daily.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)One of the oldest male soap operas in the nation. He has the cape of the US flag. It's really a phony white guy thing, also the president.
canetoad
(17,190 posts)And hope he can be sued. What's to stop him from calling someone a paedophile or an arsonist or a murderer?