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A message for those five or ten people out there who don't like Trump, but are hesitating over waiting five hours in line in a red state to vote for a Democratic candidate for the House because the House alone can't impeach him.
Message: They won't HAVE to impeach him. HE'LL QUIT! I'd give him TWO MONTHS before a Democratic House would annoy him to the point of quitting.
The only reason he's lasted THIS long is because he has both a House and a Senate that completely MOLLY CODDLE him at every turn, and because the House is full of cronies who are protecting him from justice.
A Democratic House would make Trump's life a living hell. EVERY COMMITTEE will have a Democratic chair. All those committees will have SUBPOENA POWER.
-They'll spend the next two years subpoenaing his TAX RETURNS and showing everybody how deep he's in debt to the Russians.
-Subpoenaing his tax returns to show how deep he's into the Saudi's for his Hotels.
-Subpoenaing his phone records to PROVE that Don Jr. called him before and after the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians.
-Subpoenaing the translator from his meeting with Putin to testify about how badly Putin controls him.
-Subpoenaing half the people at Fox News to testify whether Trump shared state secrets with them or not.
-Subpoenaing the Secret Service's finance to show how much public money is wasted providing security details for the hundreds of days he's spent on his golf resorts; and HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY GOES BACK INTO HIS POCKET, as a result of Secret Service agents having to rent rooms from him.
Every time Trump tweets a nasty tweet, a Democratic House would pass a RESOLUTION to CONDEMN IT. That's five or ten resolutions OFFICIALLY CONDEMNING TRUMP'S BEHAVIOR PER DAY.
A spoiled brat like him wouldn't put up with that for five minutes. HE'LL QUIT if Democrats re-take the House, I guarantee.
manor321
(3,344 posts)If he resigns he has no protection from being president.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)That will send all of Mueller's indictments flying to New York and Virginia; and then we just wait to see if there are enough sell outs on the Supreme Court to rule that a Presidential Pardon covers State indictments as well. That, after all, is why they went to so much trouble to appoint Kavanagh. That's SPECIFICALLY why he's there.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)Hopefully to death.
leftieNanner
(15,156 posts)But I think the whole administration will just stonewall any House investigations. They will refuse subpoenas and slow walk or ignore requests for documents. I hope you are right, but I think the Dotard likes playing king and I don't think he will give up so easily.
Hope you are right and I am wrong!
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...nevertheless, the Republican controlled House in 2011 basically ground the Obama Administration to a halt with FALSE scandals, ginned up exclusively for the purpose of supplying Fox News with talking points. If a Democratic House used just TEN PERCENT of the REAL criminal activity in the Trump Administration, it would be paralyzed, and unable to do any more damage.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,610 posts)We had the best, most moral President since Jimmy Carter in Barack Obama. Republicans hated them both.
If Reagan/Bush hadn't gotten the Ayatollah Khomeini to hold the hostages to screw with the 86 elections, I can only imagine how much better this country would be today. Carter understood the need to get the US off the dependence of ME oil, but Bush saw an opportunity to make a lot of money at our expense. Reagan, of course, was completely clueless.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Then we'd be stuck with Mother.
Sign on a house here in SF: Impeach Pence First.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...is because he comes across as being GENUINE. It's like FDR used to joke "you accuse me of being two faced. If I had two faces, do you think I'd use THIS one?" People assume Trump must be GENUINE, because nobody would FAKE a persona that's THAT HIDEOUS.
Pence, on the other hand, is a FAKE as the day is long. He's really bad at acting like a conservative hero, and nobody likes a fake. I think Pence would split the Republican base; whereas Trump unites it.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...and had her picture taken beside a CARDBOARD CUTOUT of Bernie Sanders that had more charisma than the real Mike Pence. I'm pretty sure when people see Pence at a fund raiser, they mistake him for a cardboard cutout.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,610 posts)Manafort picked Pence and his brother is tight with the Russians via his position lobbying for Cummin's Deisel.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Pence's law firm brokered meetings with and payments to Guatemalan and iirc Honduran government peeps for their respective countries' "cultural development".
IOW, official establishment of Christian values, including no abortions and no LGBT.
All "off the books", 'natch, funded by "concerned donors".
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)he could say what he wanted and no one would give a fuck
wonder if he ever thinks that
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Consider this: he is the playground bully who beats other kids up and steals their lunch money, then when another kid so much as tells him "not today," runs in tears to teacher and tattles.
I think having a chamber of Congress that is opposed to his vile agenda will see even more whining, with him playing the victim during every waking hour.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...when he's confronted with LEGITIMATE power, rather than just bluster and TV rhetoric, he backs down.
Examples:
1. He settled the Trump University class action lawsuit out of court. He could have fought to the mat, but at a certain point, he just gave up.
2. He knuckled under, and admitted to adultery and abuse in both of his divorces.
3. He gave up on Atlantic City, and declared bankruptcy, rather than loose his PERSONAL fortune. In fact, he's done that several times.
I think that, if a Democratic House is actually ASSISTING in investigating his crimes, rather than actively BLOCKING investigations; his personal fortune will become threatened, and he'll resign in exchange for a pardon from Pence.
(And then, he'll just spend the rest of his career SAYING he won the fight. Reality is irrelevant.)
RainCaster
(10,920 posts)which is a far worse sin than Hillary's emails. We must take away his Twitter account and his hate fests.
Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)The last thing Trump will do is back down. To him, losing is the worst thing possible. If the Dems in the House instigate investigations, he'll just fight back using his typical fascist techniques.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Has stronger hand and more resources now. Probably has 'plans' for all occasions, including loss of Senate also. Sure hope Dems haven't messed up in too many places like Maryland [weak dem gov candidate down double digits, Wapo would not endorse him].
evemac
(133 posts)I doubt this would happen. They do not accept defeat, and they do not live in reality.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)He is a narcissist possibly with psychopathic tendencies, and the don't back down, they just get worse. They can't let someone else win, they have to have the upper hand, and they have to win at all costs.
I know all about them, my brother in laws wife is one, and she reminds me a whole lot of trump. She "has" to be the center of attention, and she "has" to always win. She never apologizes and she is never wrong, at least in her own mind.
No trump will to quit just because Democrats win, it is not in his nature.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)I said he'd quit because a Democratic House would make his life a living hell on a daily basis, which they would.
And Trump's personal history points to the fact that he WILL back down, give up, and retreat with his tail between his legs when confronted by REAL power, and not just rhetoric.
Examples:
1. He said he'd fight the Trump University class action lawsuit to the bitter end, but when confronted by actual evidence, he settled out of court.
2. He settled both of his divorces when he had no leg to stand on. Even admitting to cheating and abuse.
3. He GAVE UP on Atlantic City, and declared bankruptcy. In fact, he's done that several times. Simply give up, rather than lose EVERYTHING he has.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)He has the "power" now he has alway wanted and his ego will no allow him to admit defeat. As someone below stated, he will burn the country down before he quits. Maybe, if we are lucky, republicans will come to their senses and join Democrats to impeach him, or as I stated below, something comes out so bad the even his base can't defend him any longer.
Sorry, but that's how I see it.
fmdaddio
(192 posts)I agree that a Democratic House may not lead to Drumpt quitting but if the message get some more people to vote use it!
Which I believe is Trollbuster9090's point.
Gothmog
(145,595 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)that Trump will lose control of the news cycle. Frustration will finish him and he will resign.
Leith
(7,813 posts)It will be damn entertaining to watch him squirm in the hotseat. He's never had anyone punch him back ten times harder. The moans, groans, and whines will be heard on the moon.
FM123
(10,054 posts)he will WANT to quit.
Or jump off a bridge!
Dulcinea
(6,666 posts)But being neutralized by a blue House, Senate, or both will drive him nuts. He'll whine endlessly when he realizes he's not a king.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)If he can win, then nobody wins. He is not going to back down until everyone who is against him suffers. The only way he goes is if somehow republicans join Democrats to impeach him, or something comes out so bad even his miserable base can't defend him.
spanone
(135,882 posts)canetoad
(17,190 posts)You're dreamin'. Trump will not quit.
techne7319
(173 posts)Hes not a quitter and has said so himself. If continued pressure is put on him after Dems win, he will do everything in his power to shut down the government and move toward dictatorship. Im not convinced that it will even take that long for him to incite such a dangerous move. If/when Dems win on the 6th things could turn sour quickly. I expect many recounts, claims of voter fraud, and the potential for serious violence and repercussions on the part of right wing nuts. Im afraid things still get worse before they get better. I remain hopeful and somewhat confident for a blue wave but am also guarded for what may follow.
onenote
(42,768 posts)None of them were close to being correct.
And neither is this one.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Hopefully we will take back Congress and start to coalesce around a leader and we can vote his orange ass out in 2020.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Traditional methods like the ones described in the OP limp along at standard pace. Meanwhile, this lowlife president can deflect with a barrage of lies every day. He's already upped the lie percentage drastically from early in his tenure. If we retake the House he'll merely turn it up another notch or several.
Donald Trump controls the dialogue. That does not change if we retake the House.
As always, the Happy Adjusters fail. They use day to day developments to make absurd projections that vary drastically from the norm. It is more laughable than anything else.
The big picture reality is that 2020 always set up as the most difficult presidential cycle for the Democratic party since 2004. Why should Donald Trump surrender his position when he is in an incredibly favorable situational spot and less than two years away? If Hillary won in 2016 then she would have been attempting in 2020 to hold the White House four consecutive terms. That is uphill, to put it mildly. If Trump won then four years later he's in the most advantageous spot in American politics, as an incumbent whose party has been in power only one term. I've mentioned countless times that Jimmy Carter is the only loser in more than a century from that situation. Trump may not know that specific trend but I can guarantee a billion times over that he is well aware of all the surreal advantages he owns in 2020, including the second convention and one that will be more than a month later than the midsummer Democratic convention. In other words, the Democratic nominee's bounce will already have largely faded anyway, if anyone was paying attention to begin with while traveling in mid July, and then Trump gets the huge boost at the very end of summer. No matter what it looks like all year prior to that, he'll surge in the polls, far beyond any estimate before the convention.
That's the type of stuff I look at, the long term situational terrain. It is absolutely vital to be aware of stuff like that, and not get stuck in day to day crappiola.
Donald Trump is not going anywhere before 2020, and we won't defeat him without an extremely charismatic tefloned nominee, and plenty of luck in terms of economic conditions during 2020.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)No. Calling George H.W. Bush 4 year term.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Even if this President died of natural causes today, Republican party won't miss a beat with their policy pushes. VP is ready to step right in.
I agree with you about one thing though, voters better Vote or Ds will continue to be sidelined in Congress & Senate.
Federal minimum wage will remain at $7.25 an hour forever and America will have NO middle class.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The only scenario I see him quitting is if the leading Republicans go to him and tell him that criminal indictment is certain, and that word is that Kavanaugh has changed his mind on whether the President can be indicted, or that there are hundreds of tapes of him urinating on prostitutes while married to Melania, and that those tapes will be released if he doesn't quit....
only then would he even consider quitting. I'm not so sure he'd quit even then. He might just take the position that the videos are "fake news fake news!" And it's pretty certain that he wouldn't be indicted while in office. And he could probably blackmail Kavanaugh to do what Trump wants.
No, he'll never voluntarily quit. He does NOT quit. That's one of his traits.