I'm one of those who thinks he's a hero and that we need him in order to know the truth.

From what, putting documents that may have assisted in the deaths of some of our soldiers or from the rape charge leveled at him. What are you perfectly fine with.

It was the douchenozzles who sent the soldiers into war that got them killed. The military industrial complex really doesn't need any more cheerleaders. Perhaps you ought to look at who the real enemy is.

until proven otherwise.

We should have had full disclosure from our Gov't. Instead they tortured Bradley Manning and are attempting to grab Assange for putting what we should have known out there.

Of course, it's not like it matters. We support rampant lawbreaking as long as it's us, right?

I hope his Spanish is pretty good and that Julian likes soups and seafood.

the Ecuadorians still have to get the UK's permission for him to leave the country - you really think that is going to happen. There is no diplomatic immunity for common criminals.

Even if you believe there may be some basis to the allegations, he's not been convicted of anything.

Sorry, he doesn't fall under the category of those who have been "convicted of a particularly serious non-political crimes." He certainly hasn't persecuted anyone. So, as someone who has "a well-founded fear of persecution" under the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees, he meets the refugee definition.

he has two outstanding arrest warrants out on him - British and Swedish.

The UN Convention on the Status of Refugees applies only if he can show that he has reason to fear Australia will persecute him:

The UK gov't can quash the warrant, and it has no obligation to detain him or enforce his departure to Sweden pursuant to a Swedish warrant. As I understand the law after several decades of working in the asylum and refugee field, holding a Refugee Travel Document does not grant anyone immunity from the laws of the country through which they transit, and as to whether the UK allows him to leave is a matter of that government's prosecutorial discretion.

You're misreading the Convention to say that he has to fear persecution by Australia, itself. If Australia will not protect him from persecution by a Third-party, then the UK is obligated under the Convention non-refoulement provisions to not send him to there or to any other country that would put him in the hands of a persecutor.

And, no, he has not been convicted of rape or any other particularly serious non-political crime. So, once granted refugee status by Ecuador, the Brits are free to let him transit to that refugee receiving state, if that is what they decide to do. I would suggest they probably will.

it cannot be used to protect common criminals.

Britain will not let him go - they will not suffer such an insult to their sovereignty lightly.

One last thing. I'll agree with what someone else said in the thread above. They'll more likely be glad for the opportunity to be rid of him.

my true nature is that I don't like rapists.

background from old posts of mine



100+plus pages of Assange rape case docs dumped here in Sweden


"Uncensored police reports filled with graphic details of the rape and sexual molestation allegations against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have been leaked and can be viewed on the the Internet.

The files, viewed by AFP Friday, were faxed in November from Assange's Stockholm-based lawyer Bjoern Hurtig to Jennifer Robinson, one of his British lawyers.

Although a cover page says the documents are legally privileged information "for Mr Julian Assange and nobody else" a link to a PDF file of the 97-page fax was posted online this week..........."


download links

http://www.mediafire.com/?40nxl34oxndc4qh

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48110314/Facsimile-from-Forsvarsadvokaterna-23-11-10Sokbar

(all in Swedish)


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Includes the 2 women accusers (Anna Arlin and Sofia Welin) statements

Arlin has a dodgy background, she has been associated with the CIA-connected anti-Castro group, White Angels, has made false sex charges here before, and now has fled to Israel

Welin is more like a groupie type, who tried to drop charges already a couple times

we had dropped charges here, then revelations of the CIA spying illegally on many top Swedes came out, and voila! the charges came back

is a set up IMHO


http://www.flashback.org/t1275257p1889

Several very remarkable facts about the initial phase of the criminal investigation against Julian Assange have emerged based on recent leaks:

1. The police interview with Ms. W, the woman allegedly accusing Assange for rape, was not tape-recorded.

2. A narrative account of the interview was entered into the police computer system on the same day that it was made.

3. Days later, the police woman who had authored the account of the interview with Ms.W tried to access it again "to finish it", but ”was denied access” for unclear reasons. She was then instructed by a superior to replace the original report with a new report of unclear origin, and did so. It is not known how the new account of the interview with Ms. W differed from the original account; only the new account is available now.

4. According to the leaks, Ms. W had not heard and verified any one of the narrative accounts of the interview with her. The allegation in the EAW that Assange had sex with Ms. W while she was sleeping thus amounts to hearsay.

5. The police woman interviewing Ms. W is an acquaintance of the other accuser, Ms. A. They are both active social democrats and they are both engaged in activities for homosexual, bisexual and transsexual persons.


http://www.fajaf.com/blog /



Marianne Ny is very problematic as a prosecutor, she has exhibited clear bias in the past
http://www.daddys-sverige.com/3/post/2010/11/gstinlgg-marianne-nys-konstiga-syn-p-rttsskerhet.html

Marianne Ny wrote this in a Court Administration report on the new women's law in 2001 that she helped formulate and testified as an expert:

"Only when the man is detained can the woman find the time for peace and quiet to get some perspective on her life, thus she gets a chance to discover how she really was treated. " "Marianne Ny argues that the prosecution has a good effect to protect the woman, even in cases where the offender is not prosecuted nor convicted."
http://www.domstol.se/Publikationer/Rapporter/Kvinnofridslagen.pdf


http://www.skandinaviflorida.com/web/sif.nsf/d6plinks/JEIE-8CSTKZ

Prejudice is a problem though. Our gender decides how we judge men and women's guilt and criminality. Last Friday, Angela S. Ahola, Doctor of Psychology at Stockholm University presented her dissertation on how women and men are treated by the legal system, how women's and men's stories are evaluated and that even the appearance affects on who is trusted. Ahola's dissertation confirms what we at RO have suspected for a long time - that women are being judged more kindly by the police and prosecutor. Women get a milder punishment for the same crime as men, and female witnesses are considered more reliable than male. We must get rid of these prejudices in order to claim that the Swedish justice guarantee equality before the law.

RO wants to see reviews of the rape cases that are based on facts not claims. The speculations most stop. The more innocent that are being mistreated the less we trust the legal system. We are convinced that there are many out there who have been abused by the legal system.

Rättssäkerhetsorganisationen RO, The Rights Organization

Johann Binninge
Monica Pernroth
Jenny Beltran
Susanne Flyborg

http://www.dagensjuridik.se/2010/05/dags-att-kartlagga-nedlagda-valdtaktsfall

new dissertation from Stockholms Universitet on gender sentencing difference here in Sweden


http://su.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?searchId=1&pid=diva2:311692



'Try Me for Rape Too, Marianne Ny!'
by SVT head news anchor Olle Andersson

http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2011/01/08/jag-b-r-ocks-talas-f-r-v-ldt-kt

english version

http://rixstep.com/2/1/20110109,01.shtml


Is rape rampant in gender-equal Sweden? Re Assange and Wikileaks

http://www.lauraagustin.com/is-rape-rampant-in-gender-equal-sweden

Unless you can prove that the Swedish court systems have a history of biased, unjust political persecution, it is a weak argument. Either we support the rule of law or not. He ran because we knew he was going to be arrested. That is a crime.

is very much "biased, unjust political persecution".

PS: I don't and can't see why anyone should support the "rule of law". Laws are made by the 1% to rule and oppress the 99%, and of course the elite classes of lawmakers don't think and feel that the laws and rules they make apply to themselves, only to the subordinate classes. Basic human psychology.

and reek of a setup. Always have.

At least they can't extradite him.

and Assange is neutered. Win-win all around.

Many of us here are quite aware of that.

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From Human Rights Watch

Bankster media is NOT independent media, but propaganda machine for the 1% (local Murdochs and Fox channels). Most countries have some sort of defamation/slander statutes in their legal code, and when the bankster media accused Correa of being a murderer during the coup attempt 2010 he pressed charges against three editors and they were found guilty, and two fled country and on took asylum in Panama embassy. BTW instead of behaving like Sweden, UK and US, Correa pardenod the three criminals.

I support grass roots movements occupying and taking over privately owned capitalist media, and though not denying complications and problems from anarchist point of view, not all governments are as bad as others and I'm generally supportive of certain Latin American revolutionary governments - that enjoy massive grass roots support - fight against neocolonialist structures, including corporate media.

Then I trust she does not slander and lie but speaks truth to the best of her knowledge. I hope you try to follow your hero's example...

so he might just as well be in jail for all the freedom he has.

then he can leave for Heathrow without hassle.

That's if he hasn't already left by a car boot and flown out in a private jet.

I think the UK would gladly wash their hands of the problem/

Ecuador would face a tremendous blow back if they tried and the Brits would be in the right to deny him.

Secondly, the rules of diplomatic immunity are complex. There are different types of diplomats and not all are immune from arrest for breaking the law. Ecuador runs the risk of breaking UK and international law - they are not going to risk it. That is why they will not smuggle him out - that is an illegal act regardless of his status.

Which is exactly Assange's situation.

I love that you're working so hard to spin this. Hope they pay you a bonus.

QUITO (Reuters) - Ecuador denied a report on Tuesday that it had granted amnesty to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and the country's foreign minister said only he and President Rafael Correa could make the decision.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-14/news/sns-rt-us-ecuador-assange-asylumbre87d13i-20120814_1_assange-asylum-ricardo-patino-ecuadorean-embassy

I doubt Assange would have fled to the Embassy without already knowing they would grant asylum.

Remember that cables released by Wikileaks had US officials calling Correa all sorts of bad names and wishing for his overthrow.

"When we make the decision we’ll explain very clearly the reasons, the legal framework..." Sure didn't deny asylum would be granted.

Reuters) - Ecuador has granted political asylum to WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange, Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said on Thursday, a day after the British government threatened to storm the Ecuadorean embassy in London to arrest the former hacker.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/us-wikileaks-assange-idUSBRE87F0KQ20120816

I love whistle blowers.
I love investigative reporters.

He is neither. He exploits them for his own personal gain. Where are all those files he said he'd release??? OH RIGHT, HE'S USING THEM AS LEVERAGE FOR HIS PERSONAL PROTECTION.

He's a creep who lied about leaving Sweden during a sexual misconduct investigation. Even his own lawyer admitted that his statements were untrue about this.

I believe the things said about his character from former wiki employees are true. He's a creep.

Let's move ON...

If he's innocent, perhaps he is, then he should go to Sweden and clear his name.

He's not a whistle blower. He's not an investigative reporter. He takes their work, their efforts, and exploits them.

As long as that is the case, he has every reason to avoid being taken there.

Sweden is a fascist police state. Not the only one, of course...

There is, to my knowledge, no law of human nature that says a sexual pervert who is egotistical to the point of being almost impossible to work with cannot at the same time reveal information that has been kept secret inappropriately, that the public has a right to know.

A bunch of ex-wikileaks people left him to create a new site that GETS OUT OF THE WAY and just connects whistleblowers to real journalists.

That's exactly the opposite of Assange's approach, which is to build his own little empire from leaks that he controls.

announcement by that thief Daniel Domscheit-Berg.

I suppose he should just not give a damn about himself and make himself a martyr, right? Get a freaking clue. Clear his name? Are you serious? This is a political prosecution. You obviously know extremely little about it. Funny how the military industrial complex gets so many cheerleaders here.

Assange is about himself. He jeopardized America's security, he's a sleazeball.

His fear is that if he goes to Sweden to "clear his name" he'll be extradited to the US to face espionage charges. Given how Bradley Manning was/is being treated and the trumped up "rape" charges were most likely coming from a woman with ties to the CIA he has good reason to want to avoid that.

You say you "love" whistle blowers but it doesn't seem like it. It's not at all uncommon to undermine the credibility of whistle blowers by smearing their character. You seem to have either easily fallen for the smears or you are deliberately helping to spread them.

keep Peron, the mass murderer and rapist, from being extradited. They pull out all the stops for the man that threw political enemies out of airplanes over the Pacific.

Peron never fled to England.

If the US ever got hold of Assange, Gitmo is the last place they'd send him.

I'm so relieved.

Sometimes even our side seems prone to overreacting.

For one man? They're bluffing, I think.