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FakeNoose

(32,680 posts)
1. Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of '64 and showed them all the door
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 06:58 PM
Nov 2018

The racist southern states had all been straight Democratic for 100 years, but they wasted no time getting out after that one law was passed. We don't need them, glad they are gone!





Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
2. Isn't he the one who had an illegitimate child with a black woman?
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 08:49 PM
Nov 2018

And the woman & Thurmond kept it secret all the child's life. I think it was a girl, who is now grown, and it finally got out. I think that was Strom Thurmond. Ironic, since he was racist.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
3. I think she died a few years ago. having sex with someone doesn't mean
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 08:53 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sat Nov 3, 2018, 09:31 PM - Edit history (1)

one can't be bigoted against a group that person belongs to.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
5. As evidenced by my several great-great-grandfathers who owned my great-great-great grandmothers
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 09:28 PM
Nov 2018

Our history - and genes - are full of racists who regularly had sex with people they thought were inferior.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. Do you have white ancestry on both your paternal and maternal sides?
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:35 PM
Nov 2018

It isn't uncommon for a lot of African Americans to have that situation.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Yes
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 11:34 PM
Nov 2018

You're right. Most African Americans have white blood, thanks to the slave masters who impregnated their slaves.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
9. Yes, I know. But a bit ironic...that his child was half Af. American...
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:44 PM
Nov 2018

while he worked against civil rights for Af. Americans.

leanforward

(1,077 posts)
4. I seem to remember reading about that.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 09:20 PM
Nov 2018

The news came out on/or around his passing. I could be wrong on his passing benchmark.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. Yes, pretty much as he was dying, he owned up to it.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:40 PM
Nov 2018

Apparently he supported the girl on the downlow into adulthood. I think that he was married several times and has children by something like three women.

One of his white kids died tragically at 22, she got run over while at college. Not much was explained about how she died, but one could guess that alcohol was likely involved.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
6. Hold on a minute here,
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 09:35 PM
Nov 2018

Yes, Senator Thurmond did father a female child outside of his marriage and yes, she was Black. Her name was Essie Mae Washington.
Her mother, who was 16 at the time, was a domestic in the Thurmond household. He was 22. But, although it was kept quiet, he never denied her existence. Because she was raised by her mother's family, she did not really know her mother, and didn't find out about him until she was 13. Although he was not a presence in her life as a child, he supported her throughout her childhood, right up to and including her college education. He saw her often and was proud of her. He also took an interest in her family after she married. She earned a college education, including a Master's in education and worked for 30 years as a teacher.

He was a racist. But his own daughter mattered to him and he was proud of her accomplishments.

hatrack

(59,590 posts)
10. But not enough to vote for her to be equal in the eyes of the law, in her own country
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:44 PM
Nov 2018

EDIT

In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest speaking filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop.[5] In the 1960s, he opposed the civil rights legislation of 1964 and 1965 to end segregation and enforce the constitutional rights of African-American citizens, including basic suffrage. He insisted he was not a racist, but was opposed to excessive federal authority, which he attributed to Communist agitators.[6]

Starting in the 1970s, he moderated his position on race, but continued to defend his early segregationist campaigns on the basis of states' rights in the context of Southern society at the time.[7] He never fully renounced his earlier positions.[8][9]

EDIT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. People can be strange.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:44 PM
Nov 2018

Even the most vile person has someone that person loves deeply. Even Trump has such a person somewhere.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. I didn't say he didn't support her or care for her. Just ironic he fought civil rights
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

for Af. Americans, which meant he was fighting civil rights against his own child.

I have no idea whether he cared for his child. But I was aware that he supported her, whether it was by choice or because he had to, or both, I don't know. But legally he was required to support her. The only way to keep it secret was to voluntarily support her, though.

It was kept a secret, of course, or it would have ruined his career, and I assume been an embarrassment to his family...illegitimate and the race thing, seeing how racist he and I suppose his family was, and the way things were back then.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
14. The question was did he father a black child ?
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 11:19 PM
Nov 2018

I was merely supplying the information, not making a politically-supportive statement of Thurmond or his policies. Spare me your vile vitriol.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
15. what does "hold on a minute there" mean ? you seem to object to certain characterizations of him
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 11:24 PM
Nov 2018

just because of whatever situation with his daughter.

he wanted a world where his daughter would be a lower class citizen. he isn't a very good father in that case.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
16. No, no.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 11:33 PM
Nov 2018

"Hold on a minute," as in let me recall all of the particulars about Mrs. Washington-Williams. I was stationed in the Carolinas and absorbed a lot of local history back then and I just needed a minute to clear the cobwebs out and get the specifics in order.

I said "He was a racist." He switched parties to keep the status quo in North Carolina, despite an enlightenment among emerging leaders.

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