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salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:19 PM Aug 2012

LA Times finds car dealers setting customers up to fail so they can repossess and resell vehicles

This is a fantastic piece of consumer journalism. You just know this happening all over the country, not just in California.

The practice of selling the same car multiple times, known as "churning," was explored in a series of Los Angeles Times articles last year. Now, a comprehensive analysis of California vehicle sales shows that churning turns out to be a surprisingly common practice in the state.

From mid-2008 to this April, 862 licensed used-car dealers — about 1 in 8 statewide — sold at least one vehicle three or more times, The Times has found.

...

Because their clients have little leverage, Buy Here Pay Here dealers can charge interest rates topping 30% and demand large down payments. In some cases, churning can be used to boost profits. Dealers collect large down payments and then repossess quickly when customers default so that the vehicles can be offered for sale again.

...

"A lot of these dealers set their customers up for failure," Garrett said. "They see your pay stub. They know how much you make, and they structure your payments so you can't afford them."

Full story: http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-boomerang-cars-20120815,0,4397964,full.story
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LA Times finds car dealers setting customers up to fail so they can repossess and resell vehicles (Original Post) salvorhardin Aug 2012 OP
Another case of letting Crooks of the hook ,because... orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #1
I have read that car loans are being securitized, also. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #10
This has been a common practice since... Whiskeytide Aug 2012 #2
"churning turns out to be a surprisingly common practice in the state" Fumesucker Aug 2012 #3
I'd never heard of it. Control-Z Aug 2012 #5
How does one know Control-Z Aug 2012 #4
There's no reason to buy used from a dealer. LeftyMom Aug 2012 #6
Offer cash quaker bill Aug 2012 #7
interesting. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #8
That reminds me of a news story I saw about a business that specializes in evicting bats from homes slackmaster Aug 2012 #9
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
1. Another case of letting Crooks of the hook ,because...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:29 PM
Aug 2012

a business has only one function and responsibility , profit no matter how misanthropic.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. I have read that car loans are being securitized, also.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:18 PM
Aug 2012

which REALLY gets interesting if they are churning a lot of loans.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
2. This has been a common practice since...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:35 PM
Aug 2012

... the sub-prime lending orgasm in the early 90s. It gets worse. You sign an arbitration clause now when you buy a car, and that effectively makes it so difficult to hold them accountable that its a waste of time. Very sad history of cash over consumer mentality in the automotive dealer industry.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. "churning turns out to be a surprisingly common practice in the state"
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:48 PM
Aug 2012

Surprising to whom?

The terminally naive perhaps..

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
4. How does one know
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 09:07 PM
Aug 2012

a safe dealer from a crooked one? My daughter is looking for her first car. It won't be new, though she's ready to spend a sizable chunk of money. She knows what she wants. I'm not sure how to direct her after reading this. I guess going through a large reputable dealer would be the best bet?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
6. There's no reason to buy used from a dealer.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 09:11 PM
Aug 2012

Whether the car was a trade-in or came from an auction you're paying them a significant mark-up to act as a middle man. She's better off buying private party or from a vehicle auction. In either case get an inspection by a reputable mechanic (get one on a dealer's car too if you wind up at one) and walk away immediately if anybody tries to talk you out of one.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
7. Offer cash
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
Aug 2012

if the price really plummets you have found a crooked dealer. Most, but not all, "buy here pay here", places will qualify. If they offer weekly payments, run.

Another clue, if you offer cash and they try to move you up to a more expensive car that they will finance... you should know who you are dealing with. I asked one to show me $7000 cars and said that I had it and I would pay cash, they then started driving out $10,000+ cars that they would finance. They had many $7000 cars in the lot but told me "you don't really want one of those". I left.

After a search, I found a good dealer. They did not offer financing at all and the price was the price. I bought a van.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
9. That reminds me of a news story I saw about a business that specializes in evicting bats from homes
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 09:39 PM
Aug 2012

At the very end of the video segment, the reporter asked one of the bat removal technicians what they do with the captured bats.

He smiled and said "We drive a few miles away and let them go."

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