and she was right. She gave Dems confidence and we came out and voted out repugs.

keeps it real.

No one went to see this flop and so moore is trying to get attention in other ways

knocking fellow progressives should be an instant kick from DU.

He practically made nonvoters out to be saints when he was on Chris Hayes' show

Almost a week before the election she went on Colbert saying Dems would win it. That is Election 101....you never make comments like that a week before an election. It is like an invitation for dem voters to stay home.

She obviously had internal polling data, as did the repugs. All were predicting a big Dem win and that's what happened.

It was no secret.

Everyone knows, YOU NEVER SAY comments like Pelosi did a week before the election. It almost guarantees friendly voters will rationalize not needing to vote.
Look how close the high profile races in Texas, Florida, and Georgia are..... it takes very few staying home to change the outcome. YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE, can justify PELOSI making such a statement...more than once.

Campaigns often extol candidates as the "next senator/representative/judge/sheriff" of wherever. You know, showing confidence of an upcoming win. Nothing usual about that at all.

The blue wave happened. What are you complaining about?

I can't stand him.

some people dont want to admit in polls that they are racist and some dems end up not voting.

and it is also therefore not so easy for them to vote with no car, no extra time off work, etc... too.

MAYBE we can end the hatefest!

'old timers' among the 'leaders.'

I usually don't comment when they do it, but HAD to say something today.

You inspired me.

We had a great week and they want to stir it up for some reason.

this is the first time felt I had to say something.

Won't happen again.

people what he was saying and doing. He hasn't always done the perfect thing, like what he said about Gore and Bush but he has atoned for that and he has been a great ally . He doesn't need to give them another pound of flesh.

I know that I pay not attention to moore and I doubt that many democrats did. I am amused that you think that anyone but his supporters care what moore thinks

I am still amused by how badly his last movie bombed.

almost any director.

These numbers are really sad http://www.vulture.com/2018/09/michael-moores-fahrenheit-11-9-isnt-doing-great.html

oh, sorry, I forgot. You've never failed at anything.

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Why would anyone pay any attention to Moore? Moore is a joke that few people pay any attention to

Most real democrats ignore moore and so he as to seek attention from his few remaining supporters

I really enjoy this thread

The entertainment business is known for its comebacks. Arnold Schwartzenegger is only one of many producers who staged a comeback.

Then there's Ben Affleck. (Argo)
Drew Barrymore. (Never Been Kissed.)
Ellen DeGeneres, producer of the Ellen DeGeneres Show.

Please, you're insulting peoples' intelligence with such comments. Really, your thinking is ...extraordinarily simple.

I watched and owned a copy of F 9/11. I was a weak film in my opinion. I have been ignoring moore ever since. I was amused to see that moore's latest film was such a major flop. https://www.lifezette.com/2018/09/michael-moore-anti-trump-documentary-pulls-a-disappearing-act-at-the-box-office/

very sad.

Moore's latest Documentary.. the one Lying about President Obama and Dissing Dems.

Moore had nothing to do with our Blue Wave.. I don't care what his fans say.

I'm a fan Of President Obama and anyone who lies about and disses him is no friend to our Democratic Party.

pretty close to perfect in my books.

And, sorry I'm getting so freaked out.. I really do NOT like what Moore says about our Democratic Party and President Obama.

what leaders we have under the bus. That includes Obama. But we need EVERYONE who speaks to any part of the voters lifted up. Think of all the people who have watched Moore movies and been moved to vote or fight or even just to change their heart. Anyone who can do that i think we keep.

His past movies and books were great, aimed at a popular audience. In the age of Trump it's unacceptable to attack the only party protecting us from Republicans, who are not a normal political party anymore. He needs to attack Republicans.

For example, he blamed Democrats for not fighting against Kavanaugh when obviously they did and they didn't have the votes to stop his appointment: "5 days ago Dems & 'liberals' did the same old thing, claiming some empty 'victory' when Flake feigned 'shame' and then foolishly placing their hopes in the FBI -- THE FBI! -- doing an 'investigation.' When is our side going to wake up and start FIGHTING? Stop hoping & start acting!"

What possible reason does he have to say something like this? Why are 'liberals' the enemy?

rational reply, betsuni.

As you might be able to tell.. I get very emotional about stuff like this. I could never be a politician. I admire those who can keep their calm but get the truth out there with an added bonus of facts.

I also could never listen to him.. I'd want to throw a brick through the tv if I had one.. a tv. I learn even more things from you about what he's said.

He's like a fucking Gaslighter.. and some are ok with that.. to what fucking end?

Thank YOU for posting all the tweets!

Few democrats pay any attention to Moore. Moore played no role in the blue wave in the real world

Did anyone even see "Where to Invade Next?"
He was aiming on his Operation: Depress Turnout picture this year to be a comeback and it bombed

Seems invious of O, and was once a Naderite.

I was as nervous and pessimistic as he was before the election. I didn’t want to hear what he was saying, but I thought there was every reason to believe him when he said it wasn’t enough to vote ourselves but to drag one or five or ten neighbors to the polls with us.

the asshole at the woman's march who thought it was all about him when he took the podium to start trashing the Democratic party, until Ashly Judd made him shut his pie hole. Perhaps the Michael Moore who told us how Mitt Romney was going to win, or his latest so-called documentary to take the opportunity trash President Obama and the Democratic party

No thanks

shtick.

The people came out to vote did so because they knew what was at stake. Most of the voters were unaware of what he was spewing

That’s his schtick now.

This is getting old already. I love his movies, but this constant "doom and gloom" is not helpful, even if he is trying to motivate people to vote. I'd rather he just be honest and treat us like adults.

Fuck that. He is a self promoter. Said Democrats and Republicans are all the same.

Why should we even care?

I doubt that many democrats paid any attention to Moore

for that genre

I am very amused that Moore’s movie was such a failure

I consider myself from the left wing of the party. I don’t really see him from any wing of the party.

I am a left wing pragmatist.

Moore is An opportunist. Goes where the money is.

He’s an independent. Not a Democrat.

who doesn't have an agenda to shite on the Democratic Party.

Moore had a big ZERO to do with our Democratic Party's BLUE WAVE.

I'm really surprised you're giving him any credit of all people.

Too many real Democrats worked long and hard on this.. and they're NOT from the so-called "left wing"

Anyhow i see Moore as a totem. One who sees the darkness around the corner. He's not always right. Sometimes I've thought he was wrong but he turned out to be correct. Fully room in this party for seers. The worst thing Democrats could be in monolithic.

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Democratic Party. We have no room for Liars and those who throw Cheap Disingenuous Pot Shots at our Party for their profit.

MM tells you to "embrace trump".. have fun with that..

of the Democratic Party. I don't see how we jettison all of them. Plus I am from Canada and universal healthcare is what we believe in. I love Obama and am sorry Moore attacked him. But I don't want to see two parties on the left in the USA like we have in canada. It just splits the liberal vote.

Because it split the freakin vote!

I don’t care what anyone says, he is a socialist not a Democratic socialist. You should check out some of his stuff on Venezuela and Cuba.

Link to tweet

Boy, did his last movie bomb

I was busy protecting the vote but I never pay attention to moore

He also predicted the Pukes would retain the house. But whatever. Let's hear Moore wax poetic about what an "evil genius" Trump is now. He's arguably the SOLE reason why the Pukes lost the house in the first place.

But whatever.

A guy who makes some good docs and gets prognostication right about 10 % of the time

Think of his constant shaming of Dems as a Liberal "Be Best" campaign.

....and there was. What Moore did the other day may have discouraged more voters than encouraged them. It certainly didn't make the difference on Tuesday.

As for Moore wanting to get bush out of office in 2004? Perhaps if Moore wasn't such a big supporter of Ralph Nader in 2000 (along with Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon) he wouldn't have had to worry about getting bush out of office, he would have had to worry about keeping Gore IN office!

. . . whose act I just don't get. Which is okay. I did enjoy the movie he did - no idea which one - where he went to France and talked to some people there about their health care system, work weeks, vacation time, and so on. However, I never understand what he's getting at when he appears on TV talk/news shows.

Roger and Me.
Bowling for Columbine
Fahrenheit 9/11
Sickco

and perhaps Capitalism, a Love Story

that isn't the right message

And undermining of Democrats.

since 2000.

hearing that a Presidential race had already been decided for the Republican -- while we were driving home from work. We dragged ourselves to the polling place anyway, but it was so depressing. And turnout in my state was lower than they had expected.

So some people are less likely to vote when the odds appear to be against them. They do better with some hope.

Not a GD thing. A fart in the wind.

Too bad DU members can read and remember.

Michael Moore is a self promoting huckster. The minute I heard him say there was no difference in the Democratic Party and republicans that was obvious.

He had Jack Shit to do with this win. Lots of his types trying to catch up with the Blue Bus that pulled out of the Station on Tuesday. Too late for those that missed it. This is a Democratic Party Bus.

to social progress than Trump is." MM said this a couple months ago.

nothing but diss our Democratic Party and President Obama.

He had absolutely nothing but negative bullshit about our Midterms.

His damn documentary dissing Dems bombed, too.. Thankfully.

he had Zilch to do with our BLUE WAVE. ZILCH.

that's what he was saying in september 2014 just in time for the upcoming midterms that year.


<"When the history is written of this era, this is how you'll be remembered: He was the first black president," Moore said during a discussion at The Hollywood Reporter's video lounge at the Toronto Film Festival.

"OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that's it," the director said. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now: 'He was the first black American that got elected president.' And that's it. Eight years of your life and that's what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that — you'd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could've done."

"So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment," Moore said.>


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-slams-obama-history-731563

and Jeb Bush in Florida .

was always on the cards. The signs were there in 2014, We began hearing the excuse making for it re WWC since 2012. The racial animus and cultural fear behind it was minimized. We're now seeing for a fact that millions of Americans will vote for useless racist representatives, even if they're treated with a breadcrumb of what they think maybe m4all by their opponents. All Trump had to do was demonize a "caravan" of desperate people. The Republican attack ads in swing districts were chock full of fear mongering and race baiting.

So what did the blue wave mean to you? The blue "wave" meant to me (and this is why understanding the results and the way electoral process can potentially change at this point) showing some grit and push back against voter suppression and gerrymandering. Democrats did make a dent in a system Republicans have thoroughly gamed by disenfranchising people. At the State Level, Democrats made sweeping changes - THIS is important to note since it has been at the State Level Republicans have done some of their worst.

And how much responsibility will some like Moore take for trashing the democratic party brand as no different to Republicans when it's obviously not fucking true? Every cry based on the bogus charge of "establishment Democrats" who refuse to support people he supports has helped create the most ridiculous memes, also used by the GOP. I don't see what thanks I'm supposed to give Michael Moore here, he's not my savior and I ain't looking for one. The people responsible for what has been accomplished are those who did GOTV efforts and supported Dems - if he did so other than complain and trying passing himself off as Cassandra, then good for him.

That is EXACTLY what needs to be understood here.

What won these election was increased voter turnout and typical Republican voters switching over. Michael Moore did nothing to influence either of those groups of people.

... Michael Moore would have been the great seer who saw it coming, and tried to warn us.

"The people he lit a fire under last week no doubt made the difference on Tuesday where margins were tight."

No doubt? Do you have a link to the stats on that?

As for the Dems not voting for Kerry because they'd heard the early exit polls "giving him the win", I'm pretty sure that old meme was debunked years ago.

LOcal people did this on the ground. NOT MICHAEL MOORE!

There's a documentary about a few of them, but I imagine that Michael Moore has a lot of footage that he'd loved to have used to admonish the Democrats if they lost, since the Our Revolution candidates were completely and utterly rejected. Like not even a handful won.

That documentary would've been huge for him and his ilk as a complete rejection of the Democrats and likely splintering the party.

He was building the narrative before it started.

He would've spouted from the hilltops that the Democrats resoundingly rejecting Our Revolution was the reason for the loss.

... by perpetually criticizing democrats almost as much as republicans.

And even ends by telling people "voting doesn't work."

Michael "Embrace Trump" Moore (actual quote) used the film to repeat the same myth that the nomination was somehow stolen fromSanders by superdelegates, despite him getting millions less votes and having less delegates going into convention.

He vilifies Obama and completely misrepresents what he said in Flint, and the guy he makes out to be a hero is Richard Ojeda, a conservacrat in WV, whom Moore whitewashed his past, including his Trump praise and endorsement, smears of Clinton using coal industry lies and rabid immigrant and refugee bashing.
That's who Mike prefers to Obama.

Fuck him and his track record of erroneous Debbie Downer Nostradumbass predictions.

Your OP is beyond insulting to people in every state (and Guam) who GOTV in neighborhoods, drove for Souls to Polls, etc.

Michael Moore did not do this. Just stop.

People always congratulate a white man for a job women, blacks, and other minorities did.

Narcissists obviously are not limited to the Right.

poles knocked around. I am not happy with what Moore said about Obama. Obama turned our minds global. His legacy will outlive Clinton's. Obama Care has changed people's hearts even in red states. I'm not happy Moore said that about Obama's legacy. But I protect his right as the best documentary auteur the left has ever seen to say his opinion. If people don't like his message they can ignore his movie. Which they did. And that was a good thing. But I don't want to see him made an example of. If he turns into an irrelevant Nader like character that is his choice and I don't want to see people go after him. He will just not be so important. A lot of people are confused at to the meaning of what is going on in Washington and across the country right now. As Trump ticks off the how to be a dictator boxes it is becoming clearer for all. Trump is seen more clearly now. We need documentary makers like Moore (his talent). He is a storyteller. We have more stories that desperately need telling.

And it would've focused on all the Our Revolution candidates that the Democrats resoundingly rejected.

campaign season. I've been watching LO for years, and think he's by far one of the smartest people in the punditry world, so it's hard to imagine someone like him getting hornswaggled by an apparent "flim-flam man".