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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:41 AM Nov 2018

Hypothesis: Whittaker has 'frozen' Mueller investigation and that's why no indictments

I could see him saying ‘Bob, I order you not to take any further investigative steps’ until further notice, maybe couched in language like ‘until my full review’ is completed. That could explain why we didn’t see the flurry of indictments post-midterms that were widely expected this week. It would also fit in with what all of us know, that Trump put Whittaker in to secretly and behind-the-scenes strangle the Mueller probe to death.

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Hypothesis: Whittaker has 'frozen' Mueller investigation and that's why no indictments (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Nov 2018 OP
That's not happening. dchill Nov 2018 #1
Very possible NewsCenter28 Nov 2018 #3
My thoughts exactly. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #9
what side are YOU working on? nt Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #12
I'm just observing and pointing out what's going on. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #15
I think Mueller's holding indictments until the legality of Whitaker's appointment is determined More_Cowbell Nov 2018 #10
"Widely expected indictments" Twitter rumors 11cents Nov 2018 #11
This. eom Control-Z Nov 2018 #13
A bunch of pundits and observers "expecting" something to happen this week doesn't mean squat EffieBlack Nov 2018 #17
Yes, it's entirely possible the Whitaker "appointment" is just a psyop against rosenstein unblock Nov 2018 #4
THAT I could see NewsCenter28 Nov 2018 #5
Nah SHRED Nov 2018 #2
We will find out what is going on eventually. RDANGELO Nov 2018 #6
I tend to think of this if it were a Democrat in Trump's shoes. How worried would I be? Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #8
To my knowledge, Mueller never gave a timeline for action. Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #7
Whittaker has no power here. Mueller can tell him to go pound sand. Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #14
OR, Mueller is a Righty quakerboy Nov 2018 #16
Newscenter - I agree with your hypothesis California_Republic Nov 2018 #18
I don't think Muellers investigation will end Trump srobertss Nov 2018 #19

dchill

(38,502 posts)
1. That's not happening.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:51 AM
Nov 2018

Nothing is what Trump would have us believe. Whittaker is not in any position to do anything, yet. His so-called appointment is not legal. Mueller doesn't have to listen to anything he says (according to Lawrence Tribe.)

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
3. Very possible
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:58 AM
Nov 2018

But how come the widely expected indictments didn’t occur this week? I’m struggling to find an explanation. Trump fired Sessions the day after the election, which we all knew would happen, but Mueller reacted to that with silence. Something must have occurred to him to prevent action in this ‘break glass’ moment that Rachel discussed this week.

He’s a very by the book guy (Mueller) and I could see him acquiescing to Whittaker since the DOJ says he’s the complete acting AG. Being by-the-book, Mueller will probably respect Whittaker’s wishes unless and until it has been established by a court of law that Whittaker’s appointment is unconstitutional.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
9. My thoughts exactly.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:15 AM
Nov 2018

There are no indictments waiting to be handed down. That's just wishful thinking. Mueller has done all he's going to. He'll file a report to Congress which may or may not -- and more likely will not -- be made available to the public. It's all over folks. We've been played for fools.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
15. I'm just observing and pointing out what's going on.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:01 AM
Nov 2018

For a year and a half people have been predicting on a weekly basis that Mueller is going to hand down indictments. About a month ago they started saying that the convention of not messing with the election would be observed and Mueller would don an invisibility cloak until after the election.

Well, the election's over. Where are the indictments? If he actually has them to hand out, there is simply no reason to delay.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
10. I think Mueller's holding indictments until the legality of Whitaker's appointment is determined
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:15 AM
Nov 2018

I don't believe that Whitaker (or anyone other than Mueller) could stop the investigation or the issuance of indictments at this point. But there's not much point in unsealing indictments when the GOP will just say that they're not valid.

It's just amazing to me the PRIVILEGE that Trump and other people like Whitaker and Kavanaugh feel. Obviously they've never been held accountable for their actions in their lives, and so they keep on putting themselves in the spotlight no matter what their previous crimes.

It'll be a long time coming, but I know that eventually justice will be served. For all of them.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
11. "Widely expected indictments" Twitter rumors
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:24 AM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:05 AM - Edit history (2)

Instead of suppositions about behind-the-scenes machinations, how about: the rumors lacked sound foundation and were wrong. Just the usual bullshit. There's credible reporting about Don Jr. being in jeopardy, but that's it.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. A bunch of pundits and observers "expecting" something to happen this week doesn't mean squat
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:09 AM
Nov 2018

Mueller is going right on about his business and, as my grandmother would say, he ain't studying them.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
4. Yes, it's entirely possible the Whitaker "appointment" is just a psyop against rosenstein
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:58 AM
Nov 2018

Not legal, but it may delay any action by mueller while he and rosenstein sort out who's in charge, which may require a federal court.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
5. THAT I could see
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:01 AM
Nov 2018

The Whittaker appointment is making them recalculate things. I suppose, on a hopeful end of things, they may be counting on the senate to confirm someone who vows to protect the Mueller investigation at confirmation and will just wait Whittaker out until his term expires.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
6. We will find out what is going on eventually.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:08 AM
Nov 2018

It will get to the Democrats in the house. It can come out through the grand jury the way it did with Nixon. Trump may temporarily stop the indictments from coming out, but he wont stop the truth.

Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
8. I tend to think of this if it were a Democrat in Trump's shoes. How worried would I be?
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:13 AM
Nov 2018

I would know the Democrat would be going down sooner or later, especially with the way Trump is acting. He is freaking out right now.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
7. To my knowledge, Mueller never gave a timeline for action.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:13 AM
Nov 2018

It was reported this week that he was putting his report together.
Whittaker has no power here.
Trump is playing games.
Patience...

Qutzupalotl

(14,313 posts)
14. Whittaker has no power here. Mueller can tell him to go pound sand.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:36 AM
Nov 2018

There’s nothing Whittaker can do about it. Mueller’s office is fully funded through next September.

As to indictemnts timeline, that was a rumor spread by Giuliani, who is notorious for talking out his ass, and Junior whining that he knows he’s in trouble. Don’t base any conclusions on their blather.

Besides, the special counsel has to justify itself in court. Settle that, then their actions cannot be disputed.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
16. OR, Mueller is a Righty
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:04 AM
Nov 2018

And he was NEVER going to come out with anything that could cause real harm to the right unless forced. There are no saviors, only us getting voters to the polls.

srobertss

(261 posts)
19. I don't think Muellers investigation will end Trump
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:39 AM
Nov 2018

Mainly because his base won’t care, so Senate Republicans won’t care. At most there will be impeachment by the House and no conviction by the Senate.

But, the damage to the rule of law by Whitaker is the thing that concerns me.

I’ve been listening to Rachel Maddow’s podcast on Spiro Agnew. The attorney general, Elliott Richardson, was such a hero. Who would think one could yearn for the days of Watergate?

The other thing I hold out hope for is his tax returns. If that showed his enterprise is a shell game, maybe that would start to crack the foundations of his base. If his base is gone, the Republicans would, as they say, eat their wounded.

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