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How close is Mueller? I know nobody knows, but what does your gut tell you?
TEB
(12,866 posts)Hang em close Justice
nmgaucho
(527 posts)Expect some indictments to drop soon, possibly even next week.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)is going to be the year that the Trump empire is brought to its knees.
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)Says my gut
triron
(22,011 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)My gut .. waits for calcification from the courts
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)if any of his requests are denied, as required by the special counsel law.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I think Mueller's calculating the exact moments to make his indictments and reports for maximum impact.
RainCaster
(10,908 posts)Why release that report unless you have a Congress that will actually read it?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)The current Congress will pooh-pooh his report.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,321 posts)i.e., audio intercepts from our allies. But he also understands the necessity of not burning sources, especially allied intel. He would likely need a long time to find a way to build a case that does not involve the intercepts. My gut tells me this part is done. There is also the matter of countersuits questioning his legitimacy. While those legal arguments may be questionable, their use as propaganda could be formidable. Mueller will need to get favorable court rulings in both to solidify his legitimacy with the whole of the public which he will need.
Mueller is demonstrably a patriot, and will try to avert a civil war; but he will not accommodate a traitor. He knows how to take down an organized criminal mob.
I do believe Mueller has thought this through and planned for the possibility the Democrats would win back the House, giving them their sole constitutional remedy for this situation. Before you say Republicans control the Senate and will never convict, I say: Never say never. We do not know the depth of depravity Mueller has uncovered. We do not know who in Congress has been indicted already. We do not know who will be left standing.
I urge patience and steady resolve.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Hope Im wrong, but Fitzmas is hard to forget.
Most of what we think we know about Muellers investigation is rumor.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)and NOVA makes me think he is. If he wanted to protect trump in any way, or if he wanted to go easy on him, he would not have turned things over. He would have kept them close so he could oversee them.
I'm hopeful.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Again, I hope I'm wrong.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)is being investigated by the Fed attorney in NY (most recently, per the WSJ story); and also the Trump Foundation -- for actions that took place while DT was in charge.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Everyday he remains in office gives him more time to harm our country. That's how Mueller ought to view his investigation. trump ought to be pursued as if he is an armed killer. If they have something on trump that will hold up, it's time to release it.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)when they file a Federal indictment.
The standard isn't enough to prove it to DUers -- it's enough to prove it to a nonbiased jury of 12. And Mueller and his people will know when they get to that point. We don't know it from the outside.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)elections, obstruction, etc.
Heck, Manaforte was primarily indicted for tax evasion and laundering money years ago, that has little to do with trump. Cohen -- unlawful corporate campaign contribution, making an excessive campaign contribution, tax fraud, and making false statements to a financial institution.
I think trump ought to be removed from office for what he's done during elections and while in office. Heck remove him for being a general A-hole. But so far, the investigation hasn't touched him, except for rumors that come from unconfirmed sources.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Just on Manafort alone, Mueller has far surpassed anything Fitzgerald did:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/mueller-s-paul-manafort-indictments-were-prosecutorial-masterpieces-trump-should-ncna911166
Ive been a criminal lawyer, both as, a prosecutor and criminal defense lawyer, for over four decades. Manaforts Superseding Criminal Information sets forth the longest recitation of facts I have ever seen admitted to in a guilty plea dozens of pages plus attached exhibits. In that document, Manafort admitted to every fact the government has alleged in both the District of Columbia and Virginia prosecutions.
By requiring Manafort to admit to all of the facts in both cases, the conviction is essentially pardon proof in the sense that if Trump ever pardoned Manafort, a state attorney general could take Manaforts admissions from the plea and his interviews with the prosecutors and use them to indict Manafort on state charges including tax violations and money laundering. In his cooperation agreement Manafort expressly agreed that any other party (potentially a state attorney general) can use Manaforts statement in any criminal or civil proceeding.
When Manaforts testimony is combined with the additional testimony of Flynn, Cohen and Gates, it appears that Mueller is quite likely on the verge of handing down new major indictments. These indictments could very well answer the ultimate question of what Trump knew and when he knew it.
wroberts189
(4,105 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Vinca
(50,300 posts)dameatball
(7,399 posts)probability of other investigations bringing charges for perhaps years. We have state investigations, investigations of Giuliani currently going overseas, Crete, Flynn, decades of money laundering, implications with IRS.....this could take a while folks. Not to say that Mueller may well bring him down, but this is one extremely long ball of yarn that is unraveling.
Irishxs
(622 posts)I think he will wait until after the new house is installed.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Small-Axe
(359 posts)I'm convinced Mueller could drop a hammer anytime. The only thing delaying him, I suppose, is the sheer volume of crimes. Just typing up a list of his crimes would be daunting, much less substantiating them with evidence and witnesses.
I'm sure there are literally too many crimes to prosecute them all.
When Mueller releases his report I suspect it will be an avalanche.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)right away? If he waits to wrap up everything the process will be endless.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)talking to me is food, if it's lucky.
Unfortunately, I also have no idea. Some experts say the investigation will have gathered the evidence it needs by now in order to act. Others say the investigation could continue for another year.
Sounds like Trump's already backing off Whitaker. If Whitaker knows what's good for him (far from clear), he'll be damned careful not to commit any felonies during his brief stint. But then we don't know what he may have been promised or the messages god may be sending him through his gut, Bush II-style.