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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 02:32 AM Nov 2018

Is there anything - anything at all - that you can see the House Dems working with this President?

Other than impeachment.

Tip O'Neil worked with Reagan.

Gingrich worked some with Clinton.

I think Pelosi even worked with W on some issues.

But somehow, this seems different. Maybe it's just me.
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Is there anything - anything at all - that you can see the House Dems working with this President? (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 OP
His resignation and a plea bargain? RHMerriman Nov 2018 #1
well dweller Nov 2018 #3
A hard rain is going to fall... RHMerriman Nov 2018 #4
Budget and appropriations bills should be interesting unblock Nov 2018 #2
Better health care Cartoonist Nov 2018 #5
Exactly. He promised a bigger, better ACA. Hortensis Nov 2018 #11
No. That's a signature Obama legislation. He just wants to wreck that. Or rename it trumpcare Squinch Nov 2018 #14
His followers LIKE the ACA a lot, just not that it's Hortensis Nov 2018 #17
Hypothetical question Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #18
YES! But the wall will only be 10 miles long and.....1 foot high! machoneman Nov 2018 #19
When someone can reverse his promises at any time... Kablooie Nov 2018 #6
not in the usual sense. but he might get bored and just agree to something JI7 Nov 2018 #7
Budgets RDANGELO Nov 2018 #8
Agree Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #10
His overriding need in life is relevance and approval... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #9
No. jmowreader Nov 2018 #12
Nothing worth the effort. honest.abe Nov 2018 #13
If they could convince him that signing their bills means more cameras, more signing Vinca Nov 2018 #15
Possibly, just possibly, something to combat runaway prescrption meds costs Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #16
Democrats will need to play a very smart game . . . peggysue2 Nov 2018 #20
House Dems just need to pass a lot of popular bills and make The Turtle and make Chump veto them. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #21
I don't think that's going to be enough peggysue2 Nov 2018 #22

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
1. His resignation and a plea bargain?
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 02:34 AM
Nov 2018

Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole at Leavenworth, rather than death row?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Exactly. He promised a bigger, better ACA.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 04:06 AM
Nov 2018

There's opportunity there for us, and for him -- he loves to be cheered. Of course, it'd put him in conflict with his own party, but that's practically and everyday thing anyway.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
14. No. That's a signature Obama legislation. He just wants to wreck that. Or rename it trumpcare
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:34 AM
Nov 2018

and call it fabulous.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. His followers LIKE the ACA a lot, just not that it's
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:19 AM
Nov 2018

the creation of Obama and Democrats in congress. They hooted and hollered about the need to destroy it before they learned what it did for them, and now they just want him to erase Obama/Dems from it so they can claim it as their own.

Essentially, cutting and pasting the ACA into a new bill with just a couple loudly heralded changes and a new name would satisfy them. And I'm pretty sure us too if that helped us move on with the next stages of building on it that we expected to continue under Hillary.

Notably, Trump, the lying buffoon that he is, promised conservatives that they would have much better coverages at lower cost under his new program. I didn't mention that because, of course, nothing the Republicans would approve could possibly accomplish that. Fwiw, almost certainly nothing, Trump long ago seemed to have focused on this boring stuff long enough to recognize the virtue in a single payer system, though.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
18. Hypothetical question
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 01:30 PM
Nov 2018

If the Dems could get Medicare for all option for all Americans, but it was contingent on his wall, should we make the deal?

machoneman

(4,010 posts)
19. YES! But the wall will only be 10 miles long and.....1 foot high!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 01:34 PM
Nov 2018

Gotcha Trumpy-boy, you orange tinted baby!

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
6. When someone can reverse his promises at any time...
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 03:28 AM
Nov 2018

No one can work with him.
You can only work with people who will follow through on agreements.
A five year old that will toss the game board in the air on a whim is not someone you can make deals with.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
7. not in the usual sense. but he might get bored and just agree to something
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 03:29 AM
Nov 2018

just so he could leave or something like that.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
9. His overriding need in life is relevance and approval...
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 03:47 AM
Nov 2018

I can see some kind of infrastructure bill, DACA reform, or middle class tax cut on Dems' terms. None of that will make it through the Senate, though. The GOP's only love for him has been the perception that he's "winning." But now he's politically finished.

They're probably done with him aside from the appointment of federal judges. They won't be serious about any real health reform or anything of the sort now that it can be viable.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
12. No.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 04:10 AM
Nov 2018

Trump barely worked with Congressional Republicans. He definitely won't work with Congressional Democrats, who he considers the enemy.

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
13. Nothing worth the effort.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 04:25 AM
Nov 2018

Our main focus should be removing him from office and ensuring he doesnt win in 2020.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
15. If they could convince him that signing their bills means more cameras, more signing
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:38 AM
Nov 2018

ceremonies and adulation, we could probably get single-payer. Trump is apolitical. All he cares about is Don. Chuck and Nancy should tell him he could get more Democrats supporting him than Republicans if he signs their bills. All bullshit, of course, but you work with what you've got (until the impeachment).

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
16. Possibly, just possibly, something to combat runaway prescrption meds costs
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:52 AM
Nov 2018

If so it will be a watered down, one quarter way measure. Trump might want to have one thing he can boast about delivering. I won't hold my breath on that though...

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
20. Democrats will need to play a very smart game . . .
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

in order to get anything done with the Narcissist-in-Chief. But it's something we need to do while providing oversight and running investigations. The oversight alone will not win hearts and minds or prove that Democratic leadership is anything different from Republican incompetence and partisan knife-fighting.

We ran on healthcare, so that's the obvious target. Shoring up the ACA is a must, absolutely guaranteeing preexisting condition coverage and getting costs under control. The opioid disaster is still raging throughout the country and the pharmaceutical industry is gouging the public on prescription meds. Anecdotically, I've been using prescription eyedrops after surgery, paying $118 for one of 3 prescriptions, with insurance. These particular eyedrops were in a 1.7 ml dispenser which means 35+ drops for $118. Ridiculous. I can afford this ripoff (btw I'm on my 2nd bottle) but there are many Americans who cannot. Same prescription without prescription coverage? Would cost nearly $300.

Concentrating on 'kitchen table' concerns that make a difference in the way people view government and actually affect their lives is critical.

We have to regain the narrative that government can do good in providing citizens a leg up. Trump said he wanted an infrastructure bill. That's another possibility and badly needed.

Democrats will be walking a knife edge over the next two years--appealing to the Trumpster's ego while pulling back the curtain on his corruption.

Not an easy task.

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
22. I don't think that's going to be enough
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 02:20 PM
Nov 2018

Because the Republicans will spin the narrative for their own benefit, the way they always do. We need to prove that we can get things done on behalf of the American people, as hard as that will be. Of course, one advantage of holding the House (and the pursestrings) will mean McConnell's plan to ransack Medicare and Social Security is off the table. As well as anymore crazy tax giveaways to the rich and famous.

Lots of fancy footwork will be required over the next 2 years. A challenge but one I'm sure leadership has been mapping out and anticipating.

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