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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:44 AM Aug 2012

Beneath the Bottom of the Barrel (about a WaPo article attacking elderly Americans)

Beneath the Bottom of the Barrel
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Thursday 16 August 2012

Have you ever wondered what's under the bottom of the barrel? I found out on Tuesday morning, when I cracked open the fetid wasteland that used to be the Washington Post. There, in the Editorials section, was an article titled "Senior Citizens' Financial Woes Are Exaggerated", written by something called Charles Lane.

The timing was interesting. Just as I read that headline, I heard the sound of clinking and clanking coming from the front of my house. I knew what it was immediately: one of the Can People was making her daily pass through my recycling bins. Years ago, the town I live in provided every home with a pair of large blue bins for residents to properly separate and store their recyclables for collection. Every Tuesday afternoon, a big yellow truck rumbles by to empty them. All week long, my neighbors and I fill these bins with paper, plastic, cans and bottles, and every day, the Can People come by to pick the bins over and collect anything worth five cents at the redemption center in the supermarket down the hill. More often than not, they push battered shopping carts to hold what they can find, but sometimes they have only a garbage bag slung over their shoulder to carry the load.

There are no young people doing this, nor even middle-aged people. The Can People are old men and women, stooped, wearing worn-out clothes and fraying shoes as they rattle through my refuse with gnarled, arthritic hands. Some are White, some are Asian, some are Black; can-collection, like poverty, knows no ethnic boundaries. I wave to them when I see them, but they seldom respond, either because their eyesight is too poor to make me out as I stand on my porch like a lord, or because they are too ashamed to acknowledge the fact that I see them, and thus see what it is they must do to survive.

When I heard the clinking and clanking on Tuesday morning, I remembered a brace of ginger ale cans I'd neglected to bring outside. Hurriedly, I tossed them into a bag and brought them to my porch. She was bent into the blue bin to the waist, and when she reared up at the sound of me, there was fear in her eyes. Maybe she thought I was going to shoo her away. Maybe that kind of thing happens a lot. I came to the railing, extended the bag of cans to her, and she took them without a word. Her face was a delta, a map of time itself, and she could not bring herself to meet my eye. She placed the bag of cans in her shopping cart, and I watched as she clattered her way down the sidewalk to the next set of bins.

When she was out of sight, I went back inside to read what Charles Lane had to say about how easy old people have it in America...

The rest: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10933-beneath-the-bottom-of-the-barrel
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Beneath the Bottom of the Barrel (about a WaPo article attacking elderly Americans) (Original Post) WilliamPitt Aug 2012 OP
Nothing down there but cockroaches and scorpions. Downwinder Aug 2012 #1
did you remember to sweetapogee Aug 2012 #2
What do you expect from the WP cockroach riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #3
A very well-written piece that shows what we're facing. sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #4
I really hope karma bites the Charles Lanes of the world on the ass one day. bullwinkle428 Aug 2012 #5
In addition to loving the article content, the writing is just beautiful: DebJ Aug 2012 #6
Up WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #7
Kick and rec hifiguy Aug 2012 #8
"... Lane even gets the poverty data that he cites in his piece wrong. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #9
Thanks! WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #11
I really liked your writing. Thank you. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2012 #12
I guess I'm beneath the barrel... chervilant Aug 2012 #10
everyone I know sweetapogee Aug 2012 #15
I don't know about the return to school thing. Is there a targeted program jtuck004 Aug 2012 #18
Its like that around me can collectors.... Historic NY Aug 2012 #13
Wedge politics PATRICK Aug 2012 #14
Shapiro's internet PATRICK Aug 2012 #16
Another spoiled rich kid who knows very well that his Bush era tax cuts JDPriestly Aug 2012 #17
Well done, Will. Mr. Lane is simply heartless Flaxbee Aug 2012 #19
One last WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #20
no, I'm going to keep this kicked. What this country does to its elderly is Flaxbee Aug 2012 #21
Here's one. K&R Hissyspit Aug 2012 #22
here I go again. Flaxbee Aug 2012 #23
Thanks WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #25
K&R Wednesdays Aug 2012 #24
And one more K&R catnhatnh Aug 2012 #26
It's hard to read the WP's LTTEs on Mr. Lane's piece as well. sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #27
Looks like they got it right to me WilliamPitt Aug 2012 #28
And one more for Friday afternoon. Flaxbee Aug 2012 #29
Not too long ago I read an article somewhere SheilaT Aug 2012 #30

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
3. What do you expect from the WP cockroach
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:01 AM
Aug 2012

I looked him up on Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lane_(journalist)

In 2011, Lane wrote that he hoped that Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was unable to speak as a result of having been shot in the head a few weeks earlier, would speak out against union workers in Wisconsin if she "could speak normally.[8]

Lane's statement was criticized by some bloggers, with James Wolcott simply saying he wished Lane would "chuck off."


Has the hilariously factless trope-goblin Chuck Lane, Washington Post editorial board member and off-and-on columnist, not yet been cemented as a Wonkette Character yet? Guy’s been on a tear! Here’s the deal: Chuck Lane is a Very Serious Centrist who sneers at the far-left legislative agenda of Barack Obama and is very concerned about the deficits and lack of tax cuts. Which is a shame, because he seemed such a moral, upstanding Journalist in the Very Serious movie about The New Republic. Turns out Peter Saarsgard is just a great actor of fictional roles of real people in movies, people who now write unintended comedy for the Washington Post. Small world! But on with the business of mocking something he wrote.

Chuck Lane, in his best impression of the 17-year-old who just finished his Atlas Shrugged Cliff’s Notes while simultaneously being gay for Evan Bayh:

http://wonkette.com/413735/washington-post-is-now-chuck-lanes-show

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
6. In addition to loving the article content, the writing is just beautiful:
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:01 PM
Aug 2012

Her face was a delta, a map of time itself, and she could not bring herself to meet my eye.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. "... Lane even gets the poverty data that he cites in his piece wrong.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
Aug 2012

He told readers:
"The elderly poverty rate is higher under a different statistical definition designed to reflect seniors’ greater out-of-pocket medical costs, but it still remains slightly below that of the general population."

There are no fact-checkers when the Washington Post decides to bash the elderly. The Census Bureau data show (Table 1) that the poverty rate for seniors under its alternative measure is 15.9 percent. That compares to 15.2 percent for the 18-64 population.

...

Okay, the point of this is that wealth for people under age 35 doesn't mean anything. What matters for people under age 35 are their career prospects. Do they have a decent job with health care and a pension, can they expect to see a rising income over time? In fact, this picture does not look good right now, but the villains here are people with names like Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin, not retirees scraping by on their Social Security and Medicare...."



Dean Baker, Here

Little creepy bastard, using his position to drive wedges between the rest of us. Wonder if he is the type that would giggle as he kicked his mom off a cliff so he could steal her home? Why do he and the WAPO want more seniors to die early and in abject poverty? His kind of analysis leads directly to that, written when he can get off his knees from in front of Paul Ryan.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
10. I guess I'm beneath the barrel...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
Aug 2012

I have been un- or under-employed for five years, now. I keep applying for jobs, but I've not gotten an interview in more than a year.

My older sister (she's 71, I'm 56) has already warned me to 'get used to not working.' I told her that is NOT an option, since I must have an income to feed, clothe, and shelter myself.

I may have to return to school, and amass more debt I cannot repay. I cannot see any other option.

Any suggestions?

sweetapogee

(1,168 posts)
15. everyone I know
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

thinks I'm a little soft in the head but I returned to college as a part time student last semester. It's not easy because I have two jobs and kids in college also but I've decided to get another B.S. degree and change careers. I'm 54 now and will be 60 when I'm done. The only regret I have is that I didn't do this sooner. My semester starts next week! Never give up!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
18. I don't know about the return to school thing. Is there a targeted program
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:07 PM
Aug 2012

that you KNOW, FOR SURE! will lead to enough to pay the debt? Because SS is not that far away, and they will take it out of that meager allowance regardless.

On the other hand, that's in the future, and student loans can help one get through the present, eh? It's just that it's a dangerous gamble for most. But you know that, I'm sure.

M.I.T. is offering free classes in some subject in their open courseware, (chemistry is starting soon, I think) and, frankly, there are a LOT of quality, free educational and business training resources out on the 'net (some crap too, but it's relatively easy to separate). At our age accounting\bookkeeping is a viable job, and you can learn everything you would get in a couple semesters of a community college with a couple books and studying from publicly available resources, and some personal commitment. Tax returns are not difficult for most people, and classes for those start up in a month or so. Liberty has pretty good classes, (most of their business comes from the tax return money of less-educated people with low income that they target, so there are better places to work - most could get it done for free by volunteers). Or perhaps do bookkeeping for a small nonprofit?

I am growing garlic (and other herbs), learning about varieties, expanding slowly and experimenting with making products that can sell at a farmers market (everyone sells produce, but maybe products made from this can sell too, longer than the garlic season? I will see...)

Look around for problem that need solved. There are 10,000 people a day turning 65, a few of them must need something. Regardless of who is elected, there is no future that looks anywhere near as bright as what is behind us (serious lack of vision in this country, eh?), really likely that we are going to continue to decline through what is left of our lives. eek.

Is there an employment group at a local unemployment office? Sometimes those can be helpful - there is a DUer that helps facilitate one of those in his city, and he speaks highly of the results.

I am astounded that the American people are letting this fraud continue, that we are just handing our opportunities over to the Mi$$ Rmoney's of the world. But we got fat and lazy, I think, and forgot we needed to keep at it, that we do better when our neighbor does better.

As bad as many of the experiments in communal living turned out in the 60's, I have been studying with an eye toward what would work in a more collective environment. Maybe some folks pool some money and buy very small homes in an area, get on the city council so they can affect zoning ordinances, do some structural things that make it easier for groups to join together and work for themselves.


















Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
13. Its like that around me can collectors....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:23 PM
Aug 2012

I went out one morning around 3:30 am because I forgot to put the trash out. I saw an old man with a banged up 80's car going from bin to bin collecting what he could. I told him to wait a second, that I had a couple of big bags left over of bottles & cans. He was slightly taken back that someone would be out at the hour when he was searching for mere nickles. You would have thought I was handing out gold dabloons. He was grateful and said he had a disabled son to take care of. I don't see him much but my 2 neighbors who have lots of bottles leave them on the side for him. I sometimes take some to the local redemption center and they are very busy with people young, old and very old of all races. I tell the boy behind the counter to add them to one of the redeemers totals. It has become a culture in itself people going from place to place with shopping carts filled to the brim.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
14. Wedge politics
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:28 PM
Aug 2012

A pro pollster was telling people on NPR in no uncertain pontificating(as humbly clouded it was by his own statistics) of the presumed division between generations. You almost didn't think about the poll at all because it was all about THE ASSUMPTION- not the numbers. In fact there is probably no division between between young workers and the old on the real issue.

Namely, that one's immediate and future livelihood is threatened(the media hardly ever likes to remind people of the why and who, just the Problem that the people must deal with and let pols decide for them). Young workers naturally are worried about long lives with a working career, ever shrinking and pinched for upper class profit. Retirees are worried about their pension and medicare supports. Those aren't entitlements either but worker investments so that there is a strong point of unity if you get beyond the immediate facile difference. One's money threatened. Retirees need the infrastructure and support of younger workers into the people's lifetime investments in "entitlements".

Those looting all the resources of living in this country re well served by this automatic divide and conquer by the frauds in the media. If this was arguable they would not descend so quickly to facile lies and mockery to make the blindsiding "argument" they want you to be divided impotently with. Issues that all Americans care about are in fact very clear when you think clearly about the facts. People want lives and when it comes to the economy it is pretty basic despite the memes and divisions enforced by media interpretation. Issues are grandly united not nitpicked into a broken mosaic.

EVERY time the people are united for getting money out of politics, stimulus and enforcement of the law, peace, the media acts as a blockade. "People have priorities more important than issue A" because the press realizes with terror that they would have to support the majority in actually doing something that could threaten their own sweet corporate jobs(ironically that puts them in the real selfish club over and against society and other social groupings).

These fraudulent journalists are the true obstruction to national unity. "People want everything and are unrealistic(hint: they don't want to sacrifice- which is exquisite considering the source)." And the nut jobs that the press allows because big money says they must are to be the anti-populist "heroic" arbiters who must make the people bear the brunt of the "medicinal" pain- and never- even incrementally- deal with the rather plain problems of law, corruption and runaway banksterism. While the world literally burns, people learn, are concerned and suppressed by stooges like these. People with big sophomoric mouths who should be tossed from the lifeboat not given more public time to waste.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
16. Shapiro's internet
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:44 PM
Aug 2012

article on Yahoo for the baldly false and boring equivalency meme we have seen actually many times since Bush/Dukakis. false equivalency serves the one who begins and dominates with the tar, as this article demonstrates more than any professional knowledge of history or good judgment about the actual presidential performance of any of the names he mentions.

Shapiro is yet another false flag "unbiased" journalist. If he believes himself otherwise he is his own first victim. He disses the campaign style of Obama with a total false equivalency display. Then we hear exactly(tone, substance, holier than thou pontificating) what we heard in 1988 and 2000. If you can't buy the GOP swill they will settle for they are both alike, unworthy, etc. Then the issue of "no choice" settled they work you over with other GOP crap that DOES work to create a false plurality through an election system getting to be as electronically rigged as the corporate media.

This has been done so much as to be grossly insulting in its current reincarnation. Identify the cliche, leave off the biased coloring and Shapiro would better serve politics in this country flogging himself in the dark of his bedchamber than putting his fingers to keyboard.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Another spoiled rich kid who knows very well that his Bush era tax cuts
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:49 PM
Aug 2012

were stolen from the Social Security Trust Fund and who, now, doesn't want to pay back what he and others in his tax bracket took.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
19. Well done, Will. Mr. Lane is simply heartless
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

I have no idea how people can ignore such suffering among the frail and vulnerable.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
21. no, I'm going to keep this kicked. What this country does to its elderly is
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:51 PM
Aug 2012

abhorrent.

This issue is too important. If I could rec this thread more I would.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
29. And one more for Friday afternoon.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

This issue is so much more important than what a lot of GD DU'er get in a twist over. I don't mean to be nasty, but damnit people, read this.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
30. Not too long ago I read an article somewhere
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

about how not very far in the future the GenXers are going to inherit fabulous wealth from their elders, the Baby Boomers as the Boomers themselves thoughtfully die off.

It is my casual observation, as a Boomer myself, that the Boomers who have reasonable wealth are likely to spend much of it in the first place. In the second place, and far more important, not that large a percentage of Boomers have wealth. I'm thinking of a number like 1%.

I think that the real danger is that people who are doing reasonably well, those in the upper 20 percent or so, don't fully get it that they are still better off than 80% of the population. Most of us live in neighborhoods that are segregated by income and wealth, and so we often feel is if almost everyone is just like us. That's especially dangerous if you came from a decent working class background, went to college, got a good job, and a good career path, and have done well. As Elizabeth Warren would say, "Well God Bless!" And there's no doubt in my mind that you deserve what you've earned.

Meanwhile, as all of us here on DU understand, those below the top 20% have been losing ground since at least 1980, and those at the bottom have lost the most. I seem to recall that by 1982 or so the numbers were out there clearly indicating that the working class had actually lost ground by the end of the '70's. It was somewhere around then that a male high school graduate was earning less in real money than his counterpart had earned 20 years before.

I wonder if in any other first world country the poor have to scavenge cans and bottles to get a little money.

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