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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChelsea Clinton mostly likely the next NY Senator, and she has the.
background to understand and work in the financial world of tomorrow. She has the education and skill needed to work and run government in the next 40 yrs.
Senator Schumer will retire and Senator Gillibrand hopefully will be the next President.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)Speaking of people who are qualified by family name.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)especially a girl who has yet to even prove she can be a public person.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Chelsea had doors opened for her that most people could only dream of, and could have done a lot of good for the world - yet she decided the Wall Street route was what she wanted to do.
arendt
(5,078 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)And this is what us progressives consider appropriate experience to be our representative?
No, thanks.
Her best route is to become a public official on the executive side. Run things. Deal in budgets.
Not just become another legislative talking head.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)Goldman is an investment firm.
So is Kleiner Perkins. Do you hate them too?
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)these fraudsters, scammers, welfare kings and looters.
banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)I like your style.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)How many times does Capitalism have to fail before we start fixing it?
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Benefits to the client have become incidental.
Why I am leaving Goldman Sachs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?pagewanted=all
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)is different, doit or get out of the way.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)The majority of U.S. Senators held some type of elected office before becoming a U.S. senator.
It is NOT the norm to run for U.S. Senate before 'nothing' else.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)You tossed the number '90' out of you butt - not a fact based number.
Edited to add:
And as far as RFK, being United States Attorney General does give a person quite a bit of 'experience' in the governmental realm.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I suppose it's not a bad resume point, since they are supposed to be lawmakers.
If they're not coming from elected office (either moving up from the House, or running after concluding a governorship, for example), they are often coming from appointed positions in the attorney general's office of their respective states.
Incumbency is a very powerful thing in Congress, and especially so in the Senate.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Jessy169
(602 posts)Better than a Bush dynasty by far, but still not what I hope to see. Unless it turns out she's just a flat-out outstanding candidate, then sure, why not?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)eShirl
(18,503 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)brooklynite
(94,728 posts)Getting the First Lady elected to a Senate seat is one thing. Getiing a daughter with no political experience elected 20 years after her mother left office (Schumer won't be retiring anytime soon), with all the local prospects also running is virtually impossible.
marmar
(77,091 posts)nt
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)and then MAYOR in 15 years.
banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)YES!!!!!!
2016!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm sure she's a very bright, lovely young woman, but her years working in the financial sector, her BA in history and post grad n public health doesn't necessarily translate to public office. Of course her 'informal' experience as the daughter of Bill and Hilary might help.
She shouldn't get automatic support just because of her name....
vaberella
(24,634 posts)cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)And I think she is all of that, but it's asking for a lot of pressure and/or favors to jump over the entire crowd first time in. The biggest risk being that she doesn't make it.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I'd prefer to be a Representative or local political office for a few years before aiming as a New York Senator. The name Clinton can't buy you the world. I need her in the field. Living in Brooklyn, the Bronx or Queens or something before aiming to understand what New Yorkers need. What is her years in NYC? Keep in mind I did not support her mother taking office. I'd prefer a long living in New Yorker New Yorker aiming for positions in our states.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Retrograde
(10,156 posts)Summering at Saratoga and skiing in the Adirondacks don't count. Has she ever been to the rural parts of the state? Or the Rust Belt portions? Or the part of Appalachia that sticks up into NYS?
One thing I will give her mother credit for is getting to know the whole state, and not just when she was running the first time. The Buffalo News pointed out early in her term that she spent more time in that city in 2 years than her predecessor did in 24! When Chelsea gets out into the rest of her state - and that probably includes Staten Island, the Bronx, and the parts of Queens that aren't JFK, I'll give her more credit.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)She is well known in upstate NY and will not need much of an induction.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Hillary is the only politician who will ever get away with that upstate.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Confusious
(8,317 posts)Double puke.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I like Chelsea but I do think she would need experience on the state level first. Ever her father was an Attorney General of Arkansas before he became Governor.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)destroy the US economic base.
yes, i guess those are great qualifications for the wasteland to come.
but by that measure romney has even better qualifications, as he's done it longer.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Bain & Co is Mitt's firm. Bain & McKinsey do the same things so far as consulting goes -- including instruct companies how to save $$ and evade scrutiny re offshoring, outsourcing, etc.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Nobody right out of college at McKinsey is doing anything important.
Yet she went straight into a hedge fund after that. This is basically a Romney-style road to riches.
What has she MADE? What has she DONE? Who has she HELPED?
All these degrees. All this money.
She's going to have to prove herself by putting it all to good use. She hasn't yet.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Such remarks need to be sourced and documented, not merely asserted and assumed to be fact.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,838 posts)I'm sure she's a competent, intelligent young woman. But let's give somebody a chance who didn't inherit their advantage.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Retrograde
(10,156 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)He has the meanest, rudest staff of any Dem office I have ever dealt with.
Except for maybe Feinsteins, I was complaining there about media consolidation (approx 2002) & some chump named Martin, basically called me a nazi.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)There are many other deserving women her age that wouldn't get a 3000 mile sniff at that chance, but becuase she is the lucky sperm club receiver...
ugh.
banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)The same could have been said for a Ted Kennedy though.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)the difference is, and it's subjective, I didn't like a lot of what the Kennedy's did but in the end when everything is shifted out - they contributed positively in many ways.
I just don't like the Clintons, none of them. Lots of reasons which have been posted here time and again so I'm sure you know what those reasons could be whether you agree or not.
I don't think Clinton left much positive in his trail he leaves behind him. When you sit down and do the plus and minus list, there is a lot more minus than his 'economic good times' which some say was his own doing all by himself, nevermind all the IT peeps and such.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Maybe that's why the Bush twin hangs out at NBC. She's going to run too!
Alduin
(501 posts)Awesome.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Alduin
(501 posts)Or someone who seems like they give a damn about the poor.
aquart
(69,014 posts)What idiotic nonsense.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Bill was the Attorney General of Arkansas
CK_John
(10,005 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)Maybe Congress. Though I'd like to see her with some considerable relevant experience beyond hedge fund management first.
At 32 she's have plenty of time to build the experience in a lower level office. Her dad was state attorney general and governor before being president. Many others have done the same thing.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)No more dynasties AND New York is not the center of the Universe.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The fact the Clintons act like rebels but make sure the financiers are well guarded reminds me why I did not vote for Hillary in 2008.
And before the Pumas attack, yes I realized Obama acted very Clintonesque towards Wall Street, even though Hill's BFFs Arianna huffington and Lynn Rothschild still treat him like the hired help that stepped out of bounds. People are disappointed with Obama not because he failed to be Clinton, but because he acted like Clinton.
And while I would love to see Gillibrand get the Oval Office someday, Chelsea needs a taste of the real world, something she has never had being born to wealth.
CabCurious
(954 posts)Her father rose to power as an Executive, not as a legislator.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Is she in People or Us magazines this week?
She has been pampered and well handled, but to think she is ready for anything like the Senate is madness.
CabCurious
(954 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)like Amy Carter
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)That seems to imply some sort of conspiracy to put her in office.
Retrograde
(10,156 posts)New York has a lot of skilled, talented and smart people who don't come from political families: they have to put in their dues at the local and then the state level. We don't have a hereditary House of Lords in this country, and recent experiences with the Bush clan should make us glad we don't.
Now, there are some decent politicians who come from political families - like Gillibrand (whom I've been impressed by) - but even they don't start out at the top.
The woman I'd like to see as New York's next senator is Louise Slaughter, who's been serving her district in Western New York for over 20 years.
Katie
(674 posts)The same firms people complain about that she was employed by, have given money to Democratic candidates and none have refused it. I remember a lot of bashing about Kirsten Gillibrand too on this board, and instead of all the horror stories that were going to happen, none did and she has done an amazing job as Senator.
It seems every few months there is a rumor about Chelsea running. If it's true, I certainly would support her, especially when given the choice of some of the republicans we have here in NY. Especially Peter King, he's just one, probably one of the worst, of many, I don't want to see elected to any office.
But putting that aside, Chelsea is a very intelligent accomplished young woman. She's a graduate of Stanford and Oxford. She was awarded an M.Phil. in international relations in 2003. In 2010, She completed a Master of Public Health degree at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health. Also in 2010, she served as Assistant Vice Provost for the Global Network University of New York University. In 2011, she began pursuing a doctoral degree in international relations from Oxford University. In 2012, she started teaching graduate classes at Columbia's Mailman School of Public Health.
In other words, she's no dumbbell ala Palin.
And that in itself is important. I think along with her academic achievements, it shows she has the intelligence and the ability to handle anything and handle it well. In addition, she has always carried herself with grace and class, and if she didn't it would be all over the NY papers.
Personally, I don't believe she would start at the top, I think if she is really interested in running, it's going to be local. I don't think her coming from a political family will hurt her here at all. If anything I think she has a very good idea of what will be expected of her and what NY politics are like. You are not going to see her lead the fight to try and re-institute a ban against gay marriage or deny women choice. Not gonna happen. Also, the Clinton family are regarded as New Yorkers. They are well liked & both Bill and Hillary poll extremely well here and in the country. So I think that would be a definite advantage for her in a NY election. And like it or not, there are still a lot of people who regard the Clinton years as very good ones for themselves and their families. It is what it is, and it benefits the Democratic party. If it didn't we wouldn't be having Bill at the Convention, we would be hiding him, like the repukes are doing with GW Bush & Palin.
So if she wants to run for political office, why not? She's 32, no longer a teenager being harassed by the likes of Rush and Mc Cain and the whole damn republican party. She survived that, and managed to do it without falling down drunk anywhere. She has impressive academic achievements and more business experience than Paul Ryan and his only private sector job, driving a weiner mobile.
So, Chelsea...go for it, you've got my vote.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)and get some experience?
CabCurious
(954 posts)By other democrats
adigal
(7,581 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/us/politics/28immigration.html
Chelsea has no experience in government, and I hate royal families.
hack89
(39,171 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Until she actually RUNS for something, it does not matter.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Fuck American-style royalty.
Katie
(674 posts)and truthfully I don't think JFK or Robert Kennedy did such a bad job.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)Katie
(674 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)My head, that is. In a plastic bag. At the thought of.
outsideworld
(601 posts)so
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Gillibrand as president? Don't make me laugh. She is a nice lady but . . . . . ?
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Who had a problem with JR riding coattails has no problem with our side doing it.
I don't want no fucking aristocrats.
no_hypocrisy
(46,190 posts)NJ's Frank Lautenberg is 78 and running for another six-year term.
Mass
(27,315 posts)If her last name was not Clinton, nobody would even consider her (just like few people would consider Joe Kennedy III to replace Barney Frank).