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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:16 PM Aug 2012

Remember This: Assange's 'poison pill' file impossible to stop, expert says

The Poison Pill. The Doomsday Files. Or simply, The Insurance.

Whatever you call the file Julian Assange has threatened to release if he's imprisoned or dies or WikiLeaks is destroyed, it's impossible to stop.

"It's all tech talk to say, 'I have in my hand a button and if I press it or I order my friends to press it, it will go off,'" said Hemu Nigam, who has worked in computer security for more than two decades, in the government and private sector.

There's a reason Assange specifically announced -- on the Web -- that there is a 256-bit key encryption code that only a few trusted associates know that will unleash the contents of the 1.4 gigabyte-size file.

....


http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-08/us/wikileaks.poison.pill_1_julian-assange-wikileaks-key-encryption?_s=PM:US


Has this ever been activated?

Could it be that the minute he's arrested, he will be tortured until he reveal its contents and/or rats out his associates?

Could get interesting.....
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Remember This: Assange's 'poison pill' file impossible to stop, expert says (Original Post) Junkdrawer Aug 2012 OP
No, but it has been mentioned several times throughout these shenanigans. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #1
Either that document or Assange's knowledge in general... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #5
Hit that button, Bay-bee! Raster Aug 2012 #2
Anything is possible. But Wikileaks does have documents going back to the 'sixties sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #9
Something on the JFK, RFK or MLK assassinations perhaps? Raster Aug 2012 #12
Yeah, that would be a planetary re-set button. Hope they do it. freshwest Aug 2012 #15
Some people say the file contains NoPasaran Aug 2012 #3
Yeah, but 1.4 GB? I've got fucking 9TB on my server - right in front of me. Why that little? HopeHoops Aug 2012 #4
Cables are text messages formercia Aug 2012 #8
Hey, I remember when upgrading from a 150K 13 sector Apple II floppy to 16 sector was big. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #17
The small company I worked for had a Corvus. Sounded like a F-16 at startup.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #20
It was worse than an F-16. It was also the size of a microwave oven. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #22
If you didn't know assembler, you weren't a REAL programmer. Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #23
For a long time, I thought assembly language was for pussies. I used machine code. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #24
"The machine has yet to be made that can't be brought to its knees.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #25
I think I can still read 8 inch floppies... hunter Aug 2012 #28
Yeah, but you REALLY have to squint to see the bits. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #32
40 gigs is "those days" now? *sobs* (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #40
Couldn't that hold over 100K pages? Incitatus Aug 2012 #26
Yeah, text doesn't take a lot of space (unless it's a M$ Word document). HopeHoops Aug 2012 #31
1.4 gigs of compressed ASCII could hit an eight-digit page count easily. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #39
1.4GB of compressed plaintext is a staggering amount. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #38
I was amazed when Apple II disks went from 13 to 16 sectors. Shit's SO different now. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #41
21st Century tiger rock. Robb Aug 2012 #6
Oh my God, that made me LOL, as the kids say. Brickbat Aug 2012 #7
Whatever Assange has got, it's a good bet the USA PATRIOT Act will make it illegal to know. Octafish Aug 2012 #10
Do you mean this USA Patriot Act? freshwest Aug 2012 #14
First: It's possible that the NSA can't decrypt 256 (AES???) encryption.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #11
Answering my question: Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #16
Any video of Assange from inside the embassy? Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #34
With a sufficient number Aerows Aug 2012 #27
Every encryption can be decrypted. jeff47 Aug 2012 #29
I have a copy of it. Its several years old now. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #13
Like computing the value of Pi? Not a good program to start running. freshwest Aug 2012 #18
That pic is awesome! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #19
Enjoy! It's here, just join the split link and there you go: freshwest Aug 2012 #21
It shows that this man is petty and unprincipled. This has always been about him. CabCurious Aug 2012 #30
I probably shouldn'task, but... Bragi Aug 2012 #33
Your user name implies you are curious panader0 Aug 2012 #35
X2000 treestar Aug 2012 #42
I wish; but the last time I heard this mentioned by a reliable source was in 2010. snot Aug 2012 #36
Yep, the password was published in Feb 2011. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #37

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. No, but it has been mentioned several times throughout these shenanigans.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
Aug 2012

According to him it will only be released if he is killed or imprisoned.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
5. Either that document or Assange's knowledge in general...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:41 PM
Aug 2012

The US government will not rest until they know what he knows AND that document is defused.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
2. Hit that button, Bay-bee!
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

Evidence that dick cheney* new more about the events about to transpire on 9/11/01 than did just about anyone else, including most of the highjackers? Evidence that during cheney's* secret energy meetings, it was revealed that the US would be invading Iraq over a year before the invasion?

Just speculation....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. Anything is possible. But Wikileaks does have documents going back to the 'sixties
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:54 PM
Aug 2012

according to reports.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
17. Hey, I remember when upgrading from a 150K 13 sector Apple II floppy to 16 sector was big.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:12 PM
Aug 2012

I still have sheets of the "16" apple stickers you put on the 5 1/4" floppies. It was NOT an easy upgrade. The first "hard drive" I installed was a 5MB Corvus networked drive (required a dedicated Apple II as the server) that weighed about 40 lbs. It used a parallel cable. I was amazed when they came out with (forget the brand, started with an "N&quot 30MB drive that was the size of a Honda (just kidding, it was about the size of a microwave oven). Well, fuck. So is a Honda.

Still, I've got a bank of drives, at least 20 in sight, that are between 800GB and 1.5TB in size. Things change with times. And I have an AOL 2.0 floppy on the floor (fucking cats) that I'm going to sell on eBay. Yes, I can still read floppies (USB drive is easiest, but I've got 386 machines that still work). I use a lot of disk space. I keep at least two copies of everything. I know what happens when a drive fails and I've been there with clients on redundant servers. I stayed up all night one time typing in 35 digit codes to reconstruct a storage array because the fuckhead who took out the drive ALSO took out the hot-swap drive. I got it back on-line by morning. It only took ten hours. Then I passed out on the floor under my desk.

I have a Technics turntable and a LaserDisc player and we're going to finish watching "Never Say Never Again" on the LaserDisc player tonight. I'm an old-school geek. I can't change that and have no intention of it. That's what I know. I will NOT apologize for that. And hey, as for a 40GB hard drive, that's recent shit.




On Edit: 150K was a single-sided disk. IBM came out with "TWO-K DISKS" that were really only 360K, but to their credit, they were double-sided.


Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
20. The small company I worked for had a Corvus. Sounded like a F-16 at startup....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:39 PM
Aug 2012

And the storage wasn't contiguous - it was like having (10 or was it 20) floppies ready for "instant" access.

Ahhh...you young whipper snappers... I had to walk 16 miles....

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
22. It was worse than an F-16. It was also the size of a microwave oven.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Aug 2012

I think the 33 MB drive was a, what, Nestar? I don't remember, but it weighed about 70 lbs and had six platters.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
23. If you didn't know assembler, you weren't a REAL programmer.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:54 PM
Aug 2012

C was a hard sell back then. People would look at the object code produced and groan.

Ah well, back to 2012..... Thanks for the memories.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
24. For a long time, I thought assembly language was for pussies. I used machine code.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:06 PM
Aug 2012

It's a lot more efficient and easier to read if you do hex.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
25. "The machine has yet to be made that can't be brought to its knees....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:19 PM
Aug 2012

by a sufficiently stupid way of solving a problem" - Mary Shaw (the person who really should have received Herbert Simon's Nobel Prize).

hunter

(38,326 posts)
28. I think I can still read 8 inch floppies...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:47 PM
Aug 2012

... but I'm a little afraid to turn the machine on.

Too many bad experiences with old electrolytic capacitors going firecracker on me.

If I really had to read an 8 inch floppy (nobody's asked me to do that for a long time...) I'd probably rebuild the machine first.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
26. Couldn't that hold over 100K pages?
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:25 PM
Aug 2012

Depending on what's inside, it could be very damaging so some peoples' interests.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
7. Oh my God, that made me LOL, as the kids say.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:43 PM
Aug 2012

That was one of the funniest proto-memes out there. Classic shit.

ETA: Sorry, I read that as "tiger hand." Feel free to ignore, or get out your pen missile.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
11. First: It's possible that the NSA can't decrypt 256 (AES???) encryption....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:58 PM
Aug 2012

Frankly, that would surprise me. Suppose they can and that that file contains dynamite.

Remember Assange just wanted to be sure that other hackers couldn't get in.

So, put yourself in the government's shoes. What's your move?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
16. Answering my question:
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:12 PM
Aug 2012

You would have to get your hands on Assange, make him talk, all the while making his "associates" think he's free.

Make a great movie, huh?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. With a sufficient number
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:31 PM
Aug 2012

of Graphics cards that can do hundreds of parallel processing calculation per second, I'd imagine that you could eventually brute force it. On a CPU it would take forever, but on multiple graphics cards, the time would be quite smaller. Still, you are probably talking about years, if not decades.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. Every encryption can be decrypted.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:54 PM
Aug 2012

Encryption makes it hard to read the data, but not impossible. You need lots and lots and lots and lots of attempts to guess the key. Theoretically, millions of years of attempts for such a brute-force attack.

When people talk about a particular encryption being "broken", they mean you can decrypt the message significantly faster than a brute-force attack.

One problem in encryption is the speed at which you can make those guesses. As computers get faster, those brute-force attacks take less and less time. AES-128 isn't really considered super-secure anymore, because the 128-bit key can be brute-forced in a relatively short time because computers are much faster now.

Another problem is decrypting the data is extremely parallelizable - If you use two computers, it will take roughly 1/2 the time because each machine can simultaneously try different keys. 4 computers, roughly 1/4 the time. And so on.

The NSA has very fast computers. And a common joke is that the NSA measures computing power in acres. Meaning they have a LOT of very fast computers. And further, there's no reason they have to use a "general purpose" computer like on our desktops. They can easily afford specialized computers built to brute force AES even faster.

So while it would take us a billion years to crack the "insurance" file, I would not be surprised to learn the NSA has decrypted it.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
13. I have a copy of it. Its several years old now.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:02 PM
Aug 2012

Whatever may be in it is likely so dated as to be useless, IMO.

BUT, it is sitting in my external hard drive in case the key is ever released. Not that I would likely ever bother to go through all of that minutia, but meh.

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
33. I probably shouldn'task, but...
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 10:17 AM
Aug 2012

How exactly does using as-yet unreleased sensitive data as a bargaining chip show that someone is "petty and unprincipled"? Seems to me like a straight-forward attempt at self-protection. - B

panader0

(25,816 posts)
35. Your user name implies you are curious
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:20 AM
Aug 2012

Don't you want to know what's in those files? Democracy shouldn't keep deep dark secrets from the people.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. X2000
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 10:57 AM
Aug 2012

Exactly. It's all about him. If it's so important, release it now. That and the HIV test refusal unless he gets something he wants prove it entirely. Let him stay stuck in that embassy forever - it's worse than prison. And it's self imposed.

snot

(10,538 posts)
36. I wish; but the last time I heard this mentioned by a reliable source was in 2010.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:23 AM
Aug 2012

Of course, if someone could safely leak him a new one . . .

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
37. Yep, the password was published in Feb 2011.
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:50 AM
Aug 2012

However, there is another 65GB file posted in 2012 that has not been compromised. Yet.

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