You have to deal with that from time to time. There are a number of stock phrases for "He's lying."

in and out of politics that many people have questioned him on where he has lived, his questionable business practices, his destruction of records,
why the need to have foreign accounts if he believes in America so much to run for president. One would have to question is motives and process.

More than capable of creating positive emotional visions to share with others. Those will be contrasting the lies of the right and let people know there's another way. And you can't argue with a 'IS NOT' which is what a lie 'IS.'

It puts us at a disadvantage, but as a Senate Democrat said, we are 'the party of pussycats' in debates. The Rabid Right... Well you know what they are the party of by the difference.

A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. ~ Proverbs 15:1

We are constrained not only by not owning the media and the consolidation of private media denying us the repetitve edge the right uses, but by our belief in the equality of mankind. Not only for those we agree with, but those we don't, we show respect.

And in representing the vulnerable, the old, young, weak and those unable to speak for themselves like animals and nature, we dare not fail. We seek to find agreement in any way we can, even if it means humbling ourselves, because it's not about us. It is about life, more precious than pride and profit.

For this we are called weak by bullies who don't grasp the strength of doing something that is not about our egos, which is all they have. In that way, we are strong and they are weak, but they are afraid to confess it, even to themselves.

It's a disadvantage dealing with the GOP machine, especially persons who habitually lie, distort and incite fear and hatred to turn others against each other, all for their material gain.

But like Obama, I believe all it takes is that one spark to direct our focus upward and to the best that a person can be. There's a reason not to get in the dirt with the GOP, per a Welsh quote:

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

~ Cyrus Ching

Anyway, just a few thoughts.

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compulsive liars, habitual liars or your run of the mill narcissist won't believe anything you say, because while they lie to everyone around them, they also lie to themselves.

At first their lies to themselves were justified in their own mind as explaining away the other persons short comings of not understanding them.

then as time goes on, the believe their own lies as being true and having an "historic" basis. Aka the lies create their reality and their reality becomes their lies.

I dated someone like this for a few years. (I also believe she had some borderline personality issues as well)

When I finally confronted her with evidence of her lies, she completely denied everything, saying I was making things up. I told her, while I'm good at photoshop, I'm not that good. After a time, she finally broke down and, at the time, appeared to realize that she had been caught and her version of reality crumbled.

A few years go by and she contacts me. Frankly, I didn't wish to talk to her, but me being curious, I wanted to know if 1) she had changed and 2) if she had sought professional help.

no to both answers.

As the conversation progressed, it appeared as if she once again was justifying her actions (when she cheated on me) with her very distorted bizarre version of the truth, when I tried correcting her, she got hostile.

She had regressed further and put up various psychological walls to deal with her past.

Oddly, she called me because the guy she cheated on me with, dumped her because she was cheating on him! LOL (I found that out via the grape vine). I think she was trolling for sympathy. Her version was that he was mean to her.

So pathological liars will always justify their actions regardless of what you say to them. They need massive amounts of help, sadly, if they have narcissistic tendencies as well, it will probably never happen.

I can reflect back on this circumstance from my past with a rational eye knowing that she was mentally unstable. However, it took me a few years of therapy to finally understand that her actions weren't my fault. (battered spouse syndrome).

As a result of this experience I now have a pretty good eye when spotting someone who displays classic pathological lying and narcissistic traits.

romney has them in spades. ryan, not so much, he's displays classic low self esteem issues.