I'd just like to say that we tried to tell you stupid fuckers. But no, you had to vote for him anyway because of MAGA or some shit like that.

Now they can eat their hate for dinner. It's going to be a very bitter meal.

Imagine a US farmer voting for a man who promised them he would kill off the biggest markets for the crops they grow!

I mean

Grandpa called his GOP voting neighbors " a bunch of damn dumb ass farmers" Some things never change.

Iowa Dem Farmer here. Farmers will never vote Dem if you challenge their pride & intelligence by name calling

Sticking up for the party. We live in Rep areas fighting for our party. Guns pulled and public shunning & home break ins isn’t easy so FU GUYS.

We don’t all hate & we are not all racist

Did I mention they were solid blue FDR Democrats who were calling their Republican neighbors names, not their fellow Democrats?

Yeah, not a good idea to slap progressive farmers, and there are some.

And while some people may claim to not be Republicans from a Republican controlled area, that does not lessen the crimes/stupidity of the overwhelming majority of their Republican neighbors.

Plus, there is nothing Trump supporters hate more than being told that they are suckers who backed a guy who always intended to swindle them. It makes them rethink their position in a way that nothing else can.

Anyone who is telling us "Shh. Do not say anything to make Trump supporters feel stupid or foolish" is actually doing Trump a great big favor.

The Farm crisis triggered from it. They don’t believe FOOD should be used as a bargaining tool in politics because people need it to survive so they don’t like government in their ag business.

I am a Centurion farm family here& my family has been Democratic since 1890s.

I don’t like their bullshit reasons farmers vote Rep cuz it is usually naive BUT not all of us are dumb fuckers.

My family has held office, been Delegate for State & national primaries, team leaders, head of democratic women league, military, voter registration & poll watchers all for Democratic Party.

But keep lumping us all together is WHY the Dem farmers stay home. Either we are outnumbered by Rep where we live or call “dumb fucks” by our own party.

I'm in the middle of a red county in a red state. People here routinely point out how the people in my state vote against their own interests and reap the damage inflicted by GOP. I get lumped in with the dumbass GOPers around me, yet I don't whine and whimper that Dems and the DU make me "stay home". I VOTE.

If you don't like the results of those dumb farmers voting GOP since Rotten Ronnie, get out and educate them and get out and vote. Don't use Dems or DU as an excuse to stay home.

I never said I didn’t vote or participated.

what should I call you?

Poll worker, certified poll watcher,

Not including the 10s of 1,000s of Donations

You can call me dedicated! Committed or say Thank you.

I was explaining other farmers reasons not mine. 🙄

Seriously... thank you for fighting the good fight.

Assume any accusation of being a dumb-fuck applies to your pro-Trump neighbors, not you.

And remind your neighbors who got mad at Carter that Hair Fuhrer is NOW using food as a political weapon. What's good for the goose.... etc.

which also soaked into pretty much all of rural America, which of course, means a big chunk of WHITE America. It's a pretty classic effort to get poor and middle class whites to identify minorities as the "undeserving poor" who were keeping them down... all the while ribbing them blind, of course.

their infinite wisdom they voted for an anti-labor, union buster.

A perfect example of cutting one's nose off to spite one's face.

It just boggles my mind.

the republicans

Dem farmers are idiots.

I read that a lot here: apparently I have enormous influence on the voting habits of rural people. This is really very strange. Apparently, if I am sweet and nice, they will vote. If I think they are dopes, they will not vote.

I am a coastal urban person. I understand that I am not considered by the rest of the country to be "real America." I understand that people think I live in a place that is overrun with effete people and at the same time terrible gangs ( ). People assume that folks in my area are likely to run each other over in the parking lot of the hardware store because we are so uncivil and un-neighborly.

Do you know the effect that has on my voting patterns? NONE. Could I give fewer fucks? Hell NO. Don't like me? Why would I give a shit, much less change my voting habits?

So why, oh why, would the rural Dems not vote on the basis of others' opinions of them. Please. Enlighten me. What is that about?

dang, no program in AZ. (hence why I never heard of it) I want a sign for the gate!

I might have to stir up some trouble with NRCS or somebody.

we have been here since before AZ was a state. 4 and 5th gen working this place.

The Great Recession years were mostly (not entirely) good years to be a corn farmer. Gas prices were sky high, and ethanol plants were paying top dollar for corn. High corn prices tend to raise soybean prices, because of the available acreage to grow both crops (i.e. farmers generally choose between corn or soybeans). So while the national economy was bad, the farm economy was relatively good. Fast forward: we aren't at war in Iraq, and we've proven we can economically get oil out of NoDak if oil goes north of $65 a a barrel. Corn prices have been in a funk since 2013, and have been more or less stuck in a range between $3.25 and $4.50 a bushel. Gas prices are low, and Trump's tariffs are hurting soybean exports. Further worsening the situation is the soft livestock market due to the tariffs. Lower livestock sales = less livestock breeding = lower demand for feed = lower corn & soybean sales.


What will save a lot of farmers this year as a one-time thing is that many growers have last years crop in storage because of low prices. These farmers can sell low and make it through this year. If we are still doing this next year, the pain will get a lot worse.

Needless to say, bad times for farmers in general mean troubles for all. Food is basic. It's already becoming more and more and more expensive also.

Make more money than farming for two years? Bet only the wealthiest of farmers received any part of the 12 billion.

America’s farmers have been shut out of foreign markets, hit with retaliatory tariffs and lost lucrative contracts in the face of President Trump’s trade war. But a $12 billion bailout program Mr. Trump created to “make it up” to farmers has done little to cushion the blow, with red tape and long waiting periods resulting in few payouts so far.

According to the Department of Agriculture, just $838 million has been paid out to farmers since the first $6 billion pot of money was made available in September. Another pool of up to $6 billion is expected to become available next month. The government is unlikely to offer additional money beyond the $12 billion, according to Sonny Perdue, the agriculture secretary.

The program’s limitations are beginning to test farmers’ patience. The trade war shows no signs of easing, with China and the United States locked in a stalemate that has reduced American farmers’ access to a critical market for soybeans, farm equipment and other products. Europe is planning more retaliatory tariffs on top of those already imposed on American peanut butter and orange juice, and Canada and Mexico continue to levy taxes on American goods, including on pork and cheese.

EDIT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/us/politics/farming-trump-trade-war.html

Ed. - Payouts to date aren't even 7% of the total.

Under the misleadership of their draft-dodging casino hustler, the republicans will never ever never never never ever pay out all that money. That is the Trump-republican modus operandi. The republican family-values role model has a track record that stinks to high heaven. He's a cheat. He love to sucker people.

real direction of any Crop bailout. Most of the whole Farm Program goes to the Mega operators. Congrats on the Century Farm.

The Chicago Board of Trade could care less about operators like you. They cut their Contracts with a handful of Mega operators and everyone else gets the scrapes.

It sucks dealing with backassward towns people,been in your shoes and got the threats and the slurs. But we Dems soldier on my friend.

Not even a billion of those funds have even been allocated, and you have architects & bankers in NYC getting checks instead of farmers.

it DOES make things cheaper for massive factory farms to buy up small operations

so farmers fucked today...rest of us fucked tomorrow

Sick of it.

But it happens. People lash out.

Being a White, straight man, I also tend to be part of a group responsible for the nation's ills. Don;t take it personally.

We recognize that people like you are fighting the good fight. And it's good to be reminded that there are some farmers out there who are Good Guys.

You are in farm country and have a better vantage point about the politics than people (many in safe blue states putting you and other farmers down). My guess is people in rural towns make their living from the farm economy, if the farm economy go into the tank, rural farms likely follow.

Those of us who live in the south hear it all the time. It sucks.

There are many on DU who think they’re better than everyone else and live in perfect states. Ignore them.

There’s not a state in the US that doesn’t have Rump supporters or racists. Not a one.

in a southern county of Wisconsin.

Unreal

This is a steep learning curve, and it won't come around without pain.

So, now, steel hates frump, auto workers hate grump, farmers hate frump....

Let's make sure they still feel like that in november 2 years from now......

They should embrace their mutual sacrifice, even brag about how they're Making America Great Again.

This is a KGOP republican kick to America's breadbasket.

Someone like Trump who bragged about making money during the recession. Or the Saudis who love US real estate.