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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy response to RW friend on facebook 'hate is flowing heavily from the left' (re FRC shooting)
Original post: "GLBT Activist shoots up a Conservative organization in Washington DC that was labeled as a "hate" group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Once again it's pretty clear that the hate is flowing heavily from the left."
First comment from me: "The lesson throughout recent history is there are always going to be unstable people whose brains are so warped that innocent political messages left OR right spark them to commit acts of evil."
His response: "Well for those that hold that opinion the entire force of the federal government (Janet Nepalitano's crusade against the right) and the major media outlets have sold that story pretty thoroughly already. And when violence breaks out from the left it's entirely ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative you just described...Whether it's Brian Ross jumping to the assumption the Batman shooter was a tea party member or Loughner being a talk radio enthusiast it's always presented one way and when it's the left that perpetrates the violence it's completely forgotten and forgiven."
My response:
Furthermore there is no equating of the likelihood of incidences of left-wing-motivated events like this one vs. the right-wing motivated ones like the Glenn Beck fan who shot the CHP officers in 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Oakland_freeway_shootout), the UU church shooter in 2008 who read books by Michael Savage and Sean Hannity (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/), the Sikh temple shooter who was part of white nationalist rock music, the Oklahoma City bombing (motivated by anti government feeling), Eric Rudolph bombing the '96 Olympics (with a manifesto decrying socialism and abortion), or the murders of abortion providers like George Tiller by right wing Christian maniacs. So where's the evidence that hordes of crazed MSNBC/Cenk Uygur/Thom Hartmann fans are firing guns at innocent people?
Furthermore, the left never raised a fuss at all over Bush-era DHS reports about left wing extremism such as (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33522_Two_More_DHS_Left_Wing_Extremism_Reports) (http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/leftwing.pdf). I'm not suggesting your or the other poster support the more kooky RWers, but the defensive, panicky response by the talk radio hosts and Fox News to the original Apr. 2009 report by Napolitano makes me wonder: if most conservatives in this nation do not condone McVeigh-type extremism, why do they actively oppose any efforts to call out extremism like the DHS report or NAACP study on racist elements of the tea party rather than repudiate those extremist elements in the first place?
Mopar151
(9,992 posts)Al-Quieda, the Taliban and their brethren are anything but left-wing or progressive. Religious fundamentalisim, not humanist progressivisim, is the trigger for terrorisim around the world.
Swagman
(1,934 posts)I have a very close R/W pal and he can't understand anything. I forgive him but...it's a trying friendship
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Last time I checked, he hadn't been.
Did I Just Type This
(77 posts)When I was growing up in the 70's we just called them crazy. Crazy people don't really need motives, they are looking for excuses, they are wired wrong or just plain nuts. Don't personally care what motive a crazy person has for killing another human being, a sane person moves on and lets different opinions be what they are.
starroute
(12,977 posts)As you just said, crazy people are just looking for excuses to act out their sick fantasies. But the point is that when those excuses are out there, and seem to be accepted by even mainstream figures, more crazy people act out in more violent ways.
This isn't rocket science. If the rants of a Glenn Beck or the conspiracy theories of an Alex Jones are linked to mass shootings, it might be useful for people on the right to say publicly that those people are beyond the pale. If white supremacist groups are dreaming about setting off a race war, it might be useful for more mainstream conservatives not to show up at the same events they do.
The left is pretty good at monitoring its own crazies. The anarchist bomb-throwers of a century ago are now nowhere to be seen. The right isn't, and that's a problem.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)is an ego driven and self centered ideology..
alot of times, they just cant admit wrong doing... their feelings of self worth and not wanting to admit someone else has more knowledge than themselves seems to be their biggest priority versus the actual content..
i tend to think this is why they nominate people like G W. he played well with their delicate egos because they either felt equal to or smarter than him..
why youd want to elect someone of equal or lesser intelligence than yourself, ill never understand..but i see 'conservative' poor folks vote againt their own self interests all the time for the sake of feeling self righteous.
you know, ive been finding it weird that the people who used to decry the left as emotional utopian nuts ... are now the anarchist utopian nuts who depend on 'gut feelings' and reactionary knee jerk emotions to form their opinions.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,436 posts)n/t
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Excellent Response!
Something to add to your ample collection of evidence is a Wiki page citing the long list of violent acts committed against abortion climics and the people associated with them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
just1voice
(1,362 posts)or in person, they are what's know as "time sucks". They don't want to learn a thing and if you continue to expect them to then you're no different. It's the truth.