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LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:07 PM Dec 2018

Bada Bing's Big Bang: How The Sopranos Defined White America's Cultural Shift

A great look at the Sopranos as it foreshadows today's political and social scene.

<The Sopranos shows how we got to where we are now, a country stewing in its own stale juices.>

<Coming at the ragged end of the Bill Clinton era and sticking around through most of the Bush presidency, The Sopranos records and preserves the cusp of the pre-9/11, post-9/11 atmospheric shift, when national confidence had the wind knocked out of it and terrorism superseded organized crime as the chief preoccupation of the feds, the red needle on the fear gauge.

It pulls back the tarp of the underlying malaise afflicting white America, a malaise compounded of postwar nostalgia, creeping age, waning virility and vital purpose, and a nagging belatedness (Tony himself: “Lately, I’m getting the feeling that I came in at the end. The best is over”). The gong of decline is tolled at the outset. The rackets aren’t bringing in the money they used to, the minorities are taking over . . . Why can’t things be the way they used to be when young snots respected their elders, made men didn’t cut deals and rat out associates but took the full rap, and they played Jerry Vale on the radio?>

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/11/the-sopranos-white-americas-cultural-shift

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Bada Bing's Big Bang: How The Sopranos Defined White America's Cultural Shift (Original Post) LuckyLib Dec 2018 OP
Nice Post. Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #1
I hate that show shenmue Dec 2018 #2
I never watched it. I don't like shows and movies that glorify the mob. (eom) StevieM Dec 2018 #3
Oh, I'm certain it did the opposite. And I've watched it through three times. byronius Dec 2018 #4
I see your point. I am just not into the mob shows. I can't believe we live in a society StevieM Dec 2018 #6
Gangsters have always had an odd appeal for the downtrodden. byronius Dec 2018 #7
I've seen it more than three times misanthrope Dec 2018 #8
I agree it did not glamorize them TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #11
Yeah, it's a great series. I watched it again this summer, and much in this article rings true fishwax Dec 2018 #5
Great article. Celerity Dec 2018 #9
I tried to watch it, but I found it put me in a bad mood. Coventina Dec 2018 #10
Nice story but.. Drahthaardogs Dec 2018 #12
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Nice Post.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:20 PM
Dec 2018

Ironic as all heck,we had this discussion going the same direction three weeks with our Niece. Thirty years age difference,but her observations were spot on much like this story.

byronius

(7,400 posts)
4. Oh, I'm certain it did the opposite. And I've watched it through three times.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:42 PM
Dec 2018

The show made it clear that they were all incompetent losers, constantly, overtly. There was zero glorification. Every character was depicted as ugly and small inside, especially the normal citizens who helped them for cash.

Not to mention the end -- in which the message was 'now you've killed your entire family, great job'.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
6. I see your point. I am just not into the mob shows. I can't believe we live in a society
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 05:21 PM
Dec 2018

where there is actually a TV show called "Growing up Gotti."

byronius

(7,400 posts)
7. Gangsters have always had an odd appeal for the downtrodden.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 06:06 PM
Dec 2018

The thirties, for instance. Bonnie and Clyde were heroes to the poor farmers who lost their land to the banks.

Goes back to Robin Hood.

But the reality is always a little more psychopathic.

misanthrope

(7,422 posts)
8. I've seen it more than three times
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 06:36 PM
Dec 2018

When it was still airing, I would watch each each episode twice on the night it aired and then I've gone through it at least two more times in the decade since it ended. I still believe it's the best series I've ever seen on television. Everything about it -- cinematography, writing, direction, production values, especially the acting -- is unmatched as a whole.

Anyone who believes it glamorizes crime or the mob, or specifically defames Italian-Americans has never watched it all the way through. It's a masterpiece of a show with numerous psychological and sociological layers.

Coventina

(27,169 posts)
10. I tried to watch it, but I found it put me in a bad mood.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 08:04 PM
Dec 2018

I don't need TV that puts me in a bad mood.

So, I bailed out when Adrianna (?) was strong-armed into being a snitch.
That was the last straw for me.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
12. Nice story but..
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 08:14 PM
Dec 2018

Italians have historically not been considered "white" in America. They were oppressed, lynched, interned during WWII, and laws were passed in this country to prohibit italian and Greek immigration

Roman Catholic italian Americans are not the epitome of whiteness. The author of that article is clueless.

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