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WTF - the memo was just released, Mueller is asking for NO JAIL TIME for Flynn!!! (Original Post) George II Dec 2018 OP
Which suggests they got A LOT of info from him. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #1
That's what the pundits are talking about now - apparently Flynn had LOTS of beans to spill! George II Dec 2018 #7
This. Bleacher Creature Dec 2018 #8
That part isn't relevant manor321 Dec 2018 #2
It also signals that he is still cooperating. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #18
He would only agree to that if he got really good information. nycbos Dec 2018 #3
Because Flynn spilled the beans probably kennetha Dec 2018 #4
Could either mean Flynn rolled over and gave everything, or Mueller is wimping out. Squinch Dec 2018 #5
He didn't wimp out over Manafort either. marylandblue Dec 2018 #10
He's pretty much thrown the book at Manafort. George II Dec 2018 #13
Not to worry, Mueller doesn't know what wimping out is. George II Dec 2018 #12
Means he cooperated fully and gave good info marylandblue Dec 2018 #6
That's great! Means Flynn gave him everything he knew (nt) Jersey Devil Dec 2018 #9
if Mueller is asking for no jail time for Flynn agingdem Dec 2018 #11
That means he gave Mueller EVERYTHING bearsfootball516 Dec 2018 #14
Merry Fitzmas!! oswaldactedalone Dec 2018 #15
We waited all day and most of the night....... SergeStorms Dec 2018 #16
Likely means that Flynn provided lots of information and told the truth. Blue_true Dec 2018 #20
Imagine that.. Faithful Flynn Cha Dec 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #19
noballs? DonCoquixote Dec 2018 #30
Oh FFS... SidDithers Dec 2018 #50
No balls? budkin Dec 2018 #54
Memo is out canetoad Dec 2018 #21
Dude gave up all the goods mcar Dec 2018 #22
I can't accept this decision as appropriate Goodheart Dec 2018 #23
But this isn't what he was indicted for. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #25
So? Goodheart Dec 2018 #27
That's actually GOOD. It means he has been VERY HELPFUL pnwmom Dec 2018 #24
No, this is not good. Unacceptable for the "Lock Her Up!" asshole. Goodheart Dec 2018 #26
He wasn't prosecuted for "Lock her up" or for being an asshole. nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #29
Again, SO? I heard you the first time. Goodheart Dec 2018 #31
That was my first response to your comment. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #37
Why is it okay to lock people up, such as Flynn, for something protected by the 1st Amendment? Kaleva Dec 2018 #32
That's a strawman. Goodheart Dec 2018 #34
It sounded like you did. Either that or being an asshole, pnwmom Dec 2018 #36
He should be jailed for the charges, Goodheart Dec 2018 #40
The contrast between this and what's happening with Manafort pnwmom Dec 2018 #45
Showing the Carrot and the Stick GopherGal Dec 2018 #66
Then "Flynn led the "lock her up!" cheers" isn't relative. I agree. It isn't. Kaleva Dec 2018 #41
No jail time for Flynn means he implicated Individual 1. Claritie Pixie Dec 2018 #47
Agreed - "substantially helpful" NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #33
K&R...Prosecutors do this when a defendant sings..... spanone Dec 2018 #28
And Flynn must have sung the entire Ring Cycle GopherGal Dec 2018 #67
👍🏼😎 spanone Dec 2018 #68
At least you won't have Trump ranting and raving about how unfair Mueller was to Flynn Renew Deal Dec 2018 #35
Trump will be unnerved by this. And he should be. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #38
Nope. He should know everything given to Mueller. rockfordfile Dec 2018 #52
You're assuming that he's rational. He's not. pnwmom Dec 2018 #57
Despite the redactions, we get some huge clues on the (treasonous) coordination between... George II Dec 2018 #39
What the heck? Catherine Vincent Dec 2018 #42
So did I. I think this is bullshit... Goodheart Dec 2018 #43
Agree! Catherine Vincent Dec 2018 #44
Here's my deal.... the atmosphere tendered against Hillary was toxic and dangerous Goodheart Dec 2018 #46
Tell me about it Catherine Vincent Dec 2018 #49
Can the judge ignore the recommendation and give him at least 2 weeks? ecstatic Dec 2018 #48
Zero to six months is the lowest amount of time, Ilsa Dec 2018 #55
"Substantial assistance" are the only two words that are news. meadowlander Dec 2018 #51
Must have been some pretty fancy information Flynn gave up. I trust Mueller. nt Hekate Dec 2018 #53
This guy totally spilled the beans. Yet DU members want their pound of flesh GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #56
My thinking is that the judge will give him a nominal sentence.... George II Dec 2018 #58
The judge will honor the prosecution request. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #59
The recommendation was 0 to 60 days, that's why I think it'll be a short, but finite, sentence. George II Dec 2018 #61
I really don't care about him anymore. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #62
at least he's a convicted felon. mucifer Dec 2018 #60
Although a lot, that's the least of it... GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #63
He sold out his country. He committed treason. I don't care if his life will be hell mucifer Dec 2018 #64
I totally agree. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #65
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. That part isn't relevant
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:37 PM
Dec 2018

There is only one charge, with a zero to 6 months max. This means Flynn cooperated.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
5. Could either mean Flynn rolled over and gave everything, or Mueller is wimping out.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:37 PM
Dec 2018

Mueller didn't wimp out over Gotti, I doubt he would over Flynn.

agingdem

(7,853 posts)
11. if Mueller is asking for no jail time for Flynn
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:38 PM
Dec 2018

then I suspect Flynn was a terrific spill his guts cooperating witness

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. Likely means that Flynn provided lots of information and told the truth.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:44 PM
Dec 2018

Mueller could have checkmated him if he lied.

Response to George II (Original post)

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
30. noballs?
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:53 PM
Dec 2018

If mueller was weak, he would have given up a long tiem ago..what this could mean is that since manafort fucked up, flynn knows he does not want to be nailed. As Flynn was very close to Putin, this can be a payload.

canetoad

(17,180 posts)
21. Memo is out
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:47 PM
Dec 2018

From page 1.....


Given the defendant’s substantial assistance and other considerations set
forth below, a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not
impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
24. That's actually GOOD. It means he has been VERY HELPFUL
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:49 PM
Dec 2018

and the Rethugs won't have him as a martyr. (They've been pretending to be very worried about poor, innocent Michael Flynn).

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
36. It sounded like you did. Either that or being an asshole,
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:05 PM
Dec 2018

which no one here would disagree with.

But that wasn't one of the charges.

Goodheart

(5,336 posts)
40. He should be jailed for the charges,
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:11 PM
Dec 2018

especially in light of the fact that he helped to create and propagate an atmosphere that screamed for jail time for an innocent person.

I'm not saying that "substantial assistance" is bad news, and you can be happy that a criminal stool pigeon will walk free... I don't have to be.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
45. The contrast between this and what's happening with Manafort
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:21 PM
Dec 2018

strongly encourages other witnesses/participants to fully cooperate.

That's more important than satisfying our desire for vengeance on Flynn.

GopherGal

(2,009 posts)
66. Showing the Carrot and the Stick
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

He's showing the carrot here for Flynn, and I believe Manafort's sentencing memo is due Friday, where he'll show the stick.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
47. No jail time for Flynn means he implicated Individual 1.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:30 PM
Dec 2018

I'm not crazy about no jail time either, but if it gets the big fish I can live with it.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. Agreed - "substantially helpful"
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:01 PM
Dec 2018

is really bad news for Team Trump. He's the one that did a lot of the traveling to various foreign leaders throughout 2016 to set up the collusion.

GopherGal

(2,009 posts)
67. And Flynn must have sung the entire Ring Cycle
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:21 AM
Dec 2018

Or at least a Goetterdaemmerung

He met with Mueller's crew 19 times.

Renew Deal

(81,870 posts)
35. At least you won't have Trump ranting and raving about how unfair Mueller was to Flynn
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:04 PM
Dec 2018

Flynn is involved in some pretty important parts of this

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
57. You're assuming that he's rational. He's not.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:32 PM
Dec 2018

As a pathological narcissist, he is constantly creating his own world. Flynn was out of sight, so he could be out of Trump's thoughts.

And then today he came crashing through Trump's mental defenses.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Despite the redactions, we get some huge clues on the (treasonous) coordination between...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:08 PM
Dec 2018

...the Transition Team, headed up by Mike Pence, and Russia.

Goodheart

(5,336 posts)
43. So did I. I think this is bullshit...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:15 PM
Dec 2018

unless Mueller had said in his filing that granting immunity from jail time was critical to getting his testimony, or that he had traded for it.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
44. Agree!
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:18 PM
Dec 2018

I know he gave up everything on the Trump cabal but he should get some lock up...even if it's just 6 months or so.

Goodheart

(5,336 posts)
46. Here's my deal.... the atmosphere tendered against Hillary was toxic and dangerous
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:21 PM
Dec 2018

and somebody with that attitude should not be allowed to walk away from crimes that are very much tangential to it.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
49. Tell me about it
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:59 PM
Dec 2018

Yes. I've read up top where it would have been 0 to 6 mths regardless but still...

I am also guessing Mueller felt a bit sorry for Flynn just because he's military.

ecstatic

(32,728 posts)
48. Can the judge ignore the recommendation and give him at least 2 weeks?
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:51 PM
Dec 2018

I was really looking forward to seeing him locked up.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
55. Zero to six months is the lowest amount of time,
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:28 PM
Dec 2018

and Mueller is okay with no time because flynn was extremely helpful and in a timely way.

Trump should be nervous, but he will tweet that mueller has nothing, or flynn would be going to jail.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
56. This guy totally spilled the beans. Yet DU members want their pound of flesh
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:28 PM
Dec 2018

Had Mueller, or the judge even slightly considered his chanting when deciding a Sentence then they would have been guilty of professional malfeasance. That can play no role in the sentencing.

And assuming he testified in front of a grand jury all his testimony can be used when going after others. He can be called to testify as well.

Even with the redactions it is clear that he knows all about the ties between the Russians and the Trump Campaign. And spilled it all.

This is very bad for the president and his inner circle. Especially when contrasted to the pile-driver Mueller took to Manafort who did not cooperate.

Look for the Bunker in the White House to become even more unhinged.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. My thinking is that the judge will give him a nominal sentence....
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:34 PM
Dec 2018

....like the 14 days that Popadopoulos got.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
59. The judge will honor the prosecution request.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:39 PM
Dec 2018

Mueller’s job goes much further than putting people in jail. Although he has certainly done that.

His job is to show the extent of Russian meddling and to determine if Americans colluded with them.

Looks like Flynn was a great help where that is concerned. No one was in a position to know more. And it is stated that from the beginning he spilled the beans. All of them. Probably he saw early on that any communication with a high ranking Russian is recorded by the NSA.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
62. I really don't care about him anymore.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:49 PM
Dec 2018

Looks like Mueller got what he needed.

And imagine Mikey’s position. From National Security Director to admitted Felon hated on the right for turning on Trump.

He will live the rest of his life in disgrace. Even if Trump pardons him what he said in front of a grand jury is admissible in court. He can even be called to testify. And trump will not pardon someone who has turned on him.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
63. Although a lot, that's the least of it...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:57 PM
Dec 2018

He gave up the goods on trump. Can you imagine where he will stand with the wing-nuts this time tomorrow? Or the Russian.

His life is going to be hell.

I hope he does not drink tea and lives in a one story house.

mucifer

(23,560 posts)
64. He sold out his country. He committed treason. I don't care if his life will be hell
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:00 AM
Dec 2018

I am glad he did sing like a canary tho.

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