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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:38 AM Dec 2018

Sails make a comeback as shipping tries to go green


Finnish startup company Norsepower installed its rotor sail technology on the Maersk Pelican tanker, Aug. 29, 2018, in Rotterdam, Netherlands, in the first such installation on a tanker as the shipping industry tries new solutions in an effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions. The Maersk Pelican oil tanker is testing Norsepower’s 30 meter (98 foot) deck-mounted spinning columns, which convert wind into thrust based on an idea first floated nearly a century ago. Transport’s contribution to earth-warming emissions are the subject of investigations as negotiators gather in Katowice, Poland, for U.N. COP24 climate talks

Shipping, like aviation, isn't covered by the Paris agreement because of the difficulty attributing their emissions to individual nations, but environmental activists say industry efforts are needed. Ships belch out nearly 1 billion tons of carbon dioxide a year, accounting for 2-3 percent of global greenhouse gases.

The emissions are projected to grow between 50 to 250 percent by 2050 if no action is taken.
Notoriously resistant to change, the shipping industry is facing up to the need to cut its use of cheap but dirty "bunker fuel" that powers the global fleet of 50,000 vessels — the backbone of world trade.

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Sails make a comeback as shipping tries to go green (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2018 OP
every little bit helps Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #1
It just makes good business sense ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #2
"It just makes good business sense" yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2018 #3
So I was googling around and found out that Finland produces zero oil ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #7
If you look at a map dumbcat Dec 2018 #8
I know exactly where Finland is located ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #9
I first saw this technology when Jacques Cousteau's Alcyone visited San Francisco in the eighties Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #4
Cool! yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2018 #6
Cool was for this sailor to notice it could sail directly into the wind Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #5

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
1. every little bit helps
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:56 AM
Dec 2018

On a windy day, Norsepower says rotors can replace up to 50 percent of a ship's engine propulsion. Overall, the company says it can cut fuel consumption by 7 to 10 percent.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. It just makes good business sense
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:23 AM
Dec 2018

I'd like to see the initial outlay versus how long it takes to recoup that cost if their shipping prices don't change.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. So I was googling around and found out that Finland produces zero oil
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:34 PM
Dec 2018

What's interesting to me is that they get nearly all their oil from Russia, while Norway has major oil reserves. That just seems really odd. But whatever, you know that part of this is to reduce dependence on Russian oil specifically. And, if you look at the players in the article, you'll see that the shipping company is a startup and there is another startup based in NY that is making collapsible "sails". I think that's a pretty smart thing for startups to do. These guys are planning for the future, whereas the major shipping companies are kind of tied to old technology. It would be much more difficult to retrofit a twenty year old cargo ship than build a brand new one using the technology.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
8. If you look at a map
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:54 PM
Dec 2018

it may become a little less odd.

"What's interesting to me is that they get nearly all their oil from Russia, while Norway has major oil reserves. That just seems really odd."

Finland borders on Russia. There is water and another country (Sweden) between Finland and Norway.

It's a lot cheaper to move oil (and gas) via pipelines across land than is is to move it by ship from a non-neighboring country.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. I know exactly where Finland is located
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:03 PM
Dec 2018

And I know that there have always been tensions between Finland and Russia. Besides, Barents Sea production is right there at the border between Norway and Finland. The Finnish oil imports was just an aside. My main point is about startups.

Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
10. Cool was for this sailor to notice it could sail directly into the wind
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:14 PM
Dec 2018

I watched it sail out the Golden Gate "steaming" directly into the wind. I'd heard that it was visiting the San Francisco bay, and it was only a by chance I caught it from the Marin headlands as it was leaving.


This was the perspective I was looking at it, only the water was blue


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