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Jill Wine-Banks: Mueller Hints That Mike Pence May Be Indicted Soon (Original Post) iluvtennis Dec 2018 OP
Who are the twenty GOP Senators who would convict? Thunderbeast Dec 2018 #1
Jill said anyone he names for vp has to be okayed by house and senate. shraby Dec 2018 #2
President Pelosi ? nmgaucho Dec 2018 #3
Looks like that is where this is headed; President Pelosi! democratisphere Dec 2018 #8
Trump would have to go first, then Pence. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #9
Not necessarily. Lochloosa Dec 2018 #11
Agnew went before Nixon. True Blue American Dec 2018 #12
True. But the new VP has to be confirmed by the House and Senate. That ain't happening. Lochloosa Dec 2018 #14
If Republicans don't get a Republican VP to succeed T/P... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #15
They were never going to vote for it. musicblind Dec 2018 #22
Mueller is running the show here, and he knows Trump and Pence must go together. cbdo2007 Dec 2018 #24
Carl Albert was from Oklahoma jayschool2013 Dec 2018 #26
This would have to happen quickly or there is no VP Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #16
Yes, the Congress voted for Ford. He was one of them.. True Blue American Dec 2018 #17
Hahahahahaha not fooled Dec 2018 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyWulf Dec 2018 #6
HOLY FUCK YES shenmue Dec 2018 #5
More wishful thinking than anything solid DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #7
If they get Mikey, Don's a gonner. Because if it's strong enough to convict Mikey, it HAS to involve lindysalsagal Dec 2018 #10
I've been asking about, watoos Dec 2018 #13
Flynn would still True Blue American Dec 2018 #18
What if Pence falls on the sword Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #19
Okay. That's it. I'm buying the champagne today. Vinca Dec 2018 #20
Interesting that SHE would retweet this, but note that Hortensis Dec 2018 #21
When "mother" is only half a word for this (hardly holy) slime! n/t MFGsunny Dec 2018 #23
So, guess who is third in line for president if T and Pence are both indicted and impeached? Amaryllis Dec 2018 #25

Thunderbeast

(3,411 posts)
1. Who are the twenty GOP Senators who would convict?
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:31 AM
Dec 2018

If he resigned while Trump still President, who could get confirmed as new VP?

Lochloosa

(16,064 posts)
14. True. But the new VP has to be confirmed by the House and Senate. That ain't happening.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:35 AM
Dec 2018

HOWEVER, some circumstances are not ordinary. In the case of a vacancy in the office of Vice President during a term (meaning before the next election), the 25th amendment allows the President to nominate a replacement, but this nomination must be confirmed by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress (not just the Senate.) This is the only time a Vice President needs to be confirmed, and it’s exactly because, in this sort of case, the person becoming Vice President was not elected.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Vice-President-need-a-Senate-confirmation-if-hes-elected

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
15. If Republicans don't get a Republican VP to succeed T/P...
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:49 AM
Dec 2018

...they will never vote to impeach/convict the President, no matter how egregious his crimes. The same thing was true during Watergate: when Agnew resigned, the Republicans made it clear they would make sure Nixon wouldn’t get removed from office unless Ford was confirmed first, because there was no way they’d ever remove one of their own from office if a Democrat serving as Speaker of the House (back then, Carl Albert of Nebraska) would become President to fill part of a term where the Republican won the prior election.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
22. They were never going to vote for it.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:18 AM
Dec 2018

There could be video of Trump murdering babies on the front lawn of the White House and they'd shrug it off.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
24. Mueller is running the show here, and he knows Trump and Pence must go together.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:26 AM
Dec 2018

I'm sure he's timing whatever he needs to in the most appropriate way.

The only way Repubes survive this is if Pence resigns for some made up reason and Trump installs a new VP that for sure is not involved in all of this, who will then pardon Trump.

If Trump and Pence are implicated on the same day and are both facing impeachment at the same time, Congress will not allow a President facing impeachment to nominate a new VP while that is happening. This is their window for those types of games, and they only have about 2 more weeks to try and do it, but with Trump firmly believing he is right and done nothing wrong and is above the law, he will never do what he should do at the right time (luckily for us).

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
16. This would have to happen quickly or there is no VP
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:55 AM
Dec 2018

The House can continue to vote no on any nominees, which puts the SOH next in line to be President.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
17. Yes, the Congress voted for Ford. He was one of them..
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:57 AM
Dec 2018

What Congress person would give up their seat now to go with Trump?

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
4. Hahahahahaha
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:09 AM
Dec 2018

dunce and mother must be trying extra hard to pray away the Special Counsel.


Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease indict that smarmy hypocritical fake xtian.

Response to not fooled (Reply #4)

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
10. If they get Mikey, Don's a gonner. Because if it's strong enough to convict Mikey, it HAS to involve
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:25 AM
Dec 2018

45. Mikey was no "coffee boy."

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. I've been asking about,
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:48 AM
Dec 2018

that Pence-Manafort-Flynn connection. Flynn did a lot of bad shit, a retired general called him a traitor. For Mueller to ask that Flynn not go to jail he must have given up the goods on a lot of people, I'm guessing that Pence is one of them?

Really the bastards are all traitors, too bad they couldn't all rot in jail.

So this is why Repubs were pushing for Pence to resign, they wanted Trump to hurry and appoint another VP so that we don't get president Pelosi. Mueller needs to nail some Republican Congressmen too; McConnell, Ryan, Nunes, Rohrabacher. Send a message to the traitorous party.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
19. What if Pence falls on the sword
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:05 AM
Dec 2018

And says he lied to 45, kept him in the dark, maybe even mislead him. He resigns. He gets pardoned. 45 says any lies he told on the questionnaire are because he was lied to. This becomes his mantra for the rest of his term and re-election. He doubles down on draining the swamp and says his only mistake was to trust a politician. He names a non-politician to be VP...who gets confirmed before January.

All this would have to happen fast. But I can imagine it playing out

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Interesting that SHE would retweet this, but note that
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:23 AM
Dec 2018

she describes it as "opinion and speculation."

Cautiously note, though, that the politicsusa article questionably includes a tweet from Jon Cooper of the Democratic Coalition PAC. I disregarded it when googling just 2 days ago because, imo, he's something of a slimeball and not a trustworthy source. And I would think unlikely to be a confidant of anyone Mueller would confide in.

Even though I hoped the investigation would prove actionable illegal activity by Pence, it never occurred to me that Pence could be forced to leave office before Trump. Duh.

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