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bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:30 AM Dec 2018

David Simon,creator of The Wire, Treme etc on NYT DNA/Warren article


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For non twitter users he wrote this:

Meanwhile, in the rest of America, where issues, problems and struggles abide, no one actually gives a lost, listless fuck.

In response to this:

Elizabeth Warren Stands by DNA Test. But Around Her, Worries Abound. NYT 12/6/18



Warren as a candidate should be discussed but it is just the endless stream of crap spewed by the media that keeps us from confronting our many problems. We should demand a media that covers a campaign about the issues plaguing the country rather than trivial “entertainment tonight”pieces. It would be nice if they write about how people are getting screwed by DeVos school loans or by the tea party Mulvaney run Consumer protection Agency. If the NYT wants to know how the marmalade Nero got into office, it should look in the mirror. We, as a nation, cannot afford another term with neonazis, uneducated UN ambassadors or a Secretary of the Interior who is an arrogant self dealer. Oh and a climate change denier as POTUS because knock-knock, the grim reaper is on our doorstep.

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David Simon,creator of The Wire, Treme etc on NYT DNA/Warren article (Original Post) bronxiteforever Dec 2018 OP
A very good and decent public servant is being destroyed by lies Jarqui Dec 2018 #1
+1 Agree. She fostered an agency that helped the American public. bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #2
She's a wonderful human being Jarqui Dec 2018 #4
But the ooint is that the NYT is contributing to the BS and distraction DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #21
Sometimes NYT is not very good nt Jarqui Dec 2018 #24
NYT promotes controversy Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #29
Ouch!! That's pretty harsh. Jarqui Dec 2018 #30
IMO, of course Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #31
Her Anti-Corruption and Public Integrity Act scares them Ponietz Dec 2018 #3
+1 Great article and point. bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #5
Senator Warren was working on this yesterday: Ponietz Dec 2018 #10
Great article. Thanks! bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #13
the GOP focus is ALWAYS the media focus. Warren? ProfessorPlum Dec 2018 #6
+1 I agree and actually believe the public wants policy discussions bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #7
excellent point ProfessorPlum Dec 2018 #8
I hope Sen Warren runs for President! Red Oak Dec 2018 #9
Charlie had some thoughts on this: MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #11
Yes, the "liberal" New York Times gratuitous Dec 2018 #12
Yep, that whole "liberal media" thing just plays to the right wing narrative. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #20
And so begins the NYT's classic false-equivalency-through-innuendo game Maven Dec 2018 #14
+1 it's also worse for women candidates bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #15
Yup. Forgot to mention the nonsense they just pulled with Pelosi Maven Dec 2018 #16
+100. Hortensis Dec 2018 #17
David should get back into journalism, then jayschool2013 Dec 2018 #18
I disagree. I am looking forward to his series bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #19
True jayschool2013 Dec 2018 #23
No problem. As you can see I am a fan! bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #25
As am I jayschool2013 Dec 2018 #26
Awesome! The closest I came was seeing bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #28
We will NOT go through "oh but her DNA test" campaign. If this happens collectively we Pepsidog Dec 2018 #22
NYT and The Hill are doing their best to fracture Dems pecosbob Dec 2018 #27

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
1. A very good and decent public servant is being destroyed by lies
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:39 AM
Dec 2018

When she finally gives in to address the lie with DNA proof that vindicates her, she is criticized for that?

Meanwhile, the President lies so many times daily, we can't keep up ... and the beat goes on.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
2. +1 Agree. She fostered an agency that helped the American public.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:46 AM
Dec 2018

She is a public servant and that description should be held as an essential American value.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
4. She's a wonderful human being
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:01 AM
Dec 2018

So many good qualities.

I think Republicans are afraid of her. So they smear her with lies.

The big loser in this is the American people. She could be focused on more ideas about how to govern better. Instead, she's fighting the constant distraction of lies intended to demean her politically and muzzle her voice with dishonest attacks on her credibility.

Nothing good has gone on here. It is tragic. A very good and talented woman is trying to help her country and they're trying to drown her - not on the merits of what she has to offer but with pure and intentional bullshit.

It is outrageous.

People wonder about the lines of partisanship being drawn. It is garbage like this that drives me away from Republicans.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
31. IMO, of course
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:41 PM
Dec 2018

For every big break by the NYT, you can find a dozen articles that do little more than push the bothsides theme or seek to gin up anger about a non-issue.

I'll not forgive them for the "clouds" and "shadows" that dominated their coverage of Hillary Clinton throughout 2016. Now it appears they're going to beat the DNA drum about Sen. Warren until they're certain no one will dance to the tune.

Ponietz

(2,971 posts)
3. Her Anti-Corruption and Public Integrity Act scares them
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:53 AM
Dec 2018

“The Anti-Corruption and Public Integrity Act is a wide-ranging bill that focuses on getting money and lobbying out of politics in all three branches: executive, legislative, and judicial. There’s a lot in the proposal, but here are the key parts:

“A lifetime ban on lobbying for presidents, vice presidents, members of Congress, federal judges, and Cabinet secretaries.
Multi-year lobbying bans for federal employees (both Congressional staffers and employees of federal agencies). The span of time would be least two years, and six years for corporate lobbyists.
Requiring the president and vice president to place assets that could present a conflict of interest — including real estate — in a blind trust and sell them off.
Requiring the IRS to release eight years’ worth of tax returns for all presidential and vice presidential candidates, as well as requiring them to release tax returns during each year in office. The IRS would also have to release two years’ worth of tax returns for members of Congress, and require them to release tax returns for each lawmaker’s year in office.
Banning members of Congress, Cabinet secretaries, federal judges, White House staff, senior congressional staff, and other officials from owning individual stocks while in office.
Changing the rulemaking process of federal agencies to severely restrict the ability of corporations or industry to delay or influence rulemaking.
Creating a new independent US Office of Public Integrity, which would enforce the nation’s ethics laws, and investigate any potential violations. The office would also try to strengthen open records laws, making records more easily accessible to the public and the press.”

[link:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17760916/elizabeth-warren-anti-corruption-act-bill-lobbying-ban-president-trump|

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
5. +1 Great article and point.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:04 AM
Dec 2018

Imagine a cleaner government. Isn’t it something that the mindless and empty phrase “drain the swamp” is regurgitated by the media when Warren and our Party is actually doing the work.

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
6. the GOP focus is ALWAYS the media focus. Warren?
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:08 AM
Dec 2018

the GOP only talks about her ancestry, so the Times will write article after article about it.

Warren is actually one politician who has worked extremely hard to keep the banks and huge financial institutions from screwing and robbing us blind. How about a big fucking article on that, NYT?

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
7. +1 I agree and actually believe the public wants policy discussions
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

But they can only be engaged if the media cares to cover policy. For example, I thought the student loan debt was the next big bubble. Did that debt disappear? I don’t think so.

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
8. excellent point
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:32 AM
Dec 2018

Warren has totally earned my loyalty by caring to protect people. If more people knew that about her, if the media covered policy, she would have much more earned loyalty in the nation.

Instead, we have to each of us decide if she can be forgiven for the GOP native american non-scandal. Thanks, media.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
9. I hope Sen Warren runs for President!
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:45 AM
Dec 2018

I have no idea if she will win, or even get the Democratic nomination, but I sure as hell am tired of Democrats winning, then being told they have to run to the right to gain the support of the people. If they don't run to the center, they are attacked. I call bullshit.

Here's to Senator Warren, Representative Ocasio-Cortez and the others in the upcoming Congress that will speak truth to power and represent people that make less than a billion dollars a year!

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
11. Charlie had some thoughts on this:
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:55 AM
Dec 2018

"And then, there's the elite political media. The New York Times fired a shot across the bow of Senator Professor Warren's prospective campaign on Thursday by raising, yet again, the moronic issue of her ancestry in the guise of discussing whether her having taken a DNA test was savvy politics or not in the context of 2020."

"What concerns me more about this story is the unmistakable hint that the DNA "issue," which has no demonstrable salience in the general electorate that I can detect, is on its way to becoming to one of the Times's quadrennial Democratic obsessions, like Whitewater, Al Gore's "lies," and, most notably, Her E-Mailz. It is not a good thing for someone who writes about politics to already hate an election still almost two years away. But I'm getting there."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25424052/2020-democrats-bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-media-elizabeth-warren/

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. Yes, the "liberal" New York Times
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:08 PM
Dec 2018

The newspaper that sat on the story of illegal wiretaps by the Bush administration for months during the 2004 election, ostensibly because they didn't want to affect the outcome. But they sure ran a lot of Swift Boat stuff, didn't they? Sure, they pooh-poohed some of the Obama Birth Certificate Nontroversy, but in practically every story the clouds still lingered and questions remained unanswered. The most unanswered question being why any legitimate news outlet would spend even one column inch on the subject.

And then the e-mails, Oh! the e-mails! Obsessed with those e-mails all through the 2016 campaign and all the while knowing two things for sure: Clinton had done nothing wrong, and keeping the story alive damaged her campaign. Anyone want to do a comparison of the Clinton e-mails and the Trump business shenanigans during the campaign? Does anyone even remember that in December 2016 Donald Trump shelled out $25 million to settle the fraud lawsuit against him in connection with Trump University?

Now it's 2018, heading toward 2020. What is the Times spending political analysis on? Sen. Warren and her proven First Peoples ancestry.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
20. Yep, that whole "liberal media" thing just plays to the right wing narrative.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:15 PM
Dec 2018

The Times is not liberal. Many of their front line journalists probably lean liberal but the organization itself is a major corporation, meaning it is a capitalistic venture that is geared to profit making.

When people call it "liberal" they are just trying to keep the goalposts shifting further and further right. The "liberal" media is actually very small while the corporate media is the mainstream media and the right wing media is not as large and powerful, but very coordinated on its message and influences the corporate media since most of the CEOs lean right and are capitalists through and through.

The media will never take a truly progressive/liberal perspective because that perspective is about democracy and spreading wealth and power equitably among the greatest number of regular people as possible and that is anathema to the corporate and capitalist model.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
14. And so begins the NYT's classic false-equivalency-through-innuendo game
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:22 PM
Dec 2018

With HRC, it was "clouds" and "shadows".

With Elizabeth, apparently it will be "worries".

Is "DNA test" the new "her emails"?

Why do Dean Baquet and his squadron of access journalists try so hard to paint Democrats in an aura of dishonesty and corruption, especially if they are women who might ascend to the presidency?

Maven

(10,533 posts)
16. Yup. Forgot to mention the nonsense they just pulled with Pelosi
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:46 PM
Dec 2018

supposedly being nominated as speaker despite "significant defections" even though Paul Ryan got fewer "yes" votes and more "no" votes and they reported his nomination as a resounding vote of confidence from his party.

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
18. David should get back into journalism, then
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:54 PM
Dec 2018

He would provide more value to the world than churning out more TV, no matter how excellent it is.

He has enough money to fund an investigative start-up. Or he could bitch on social media.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
19. I disagree. I am looking forward to his series
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:15 PM
Dec 2018

Capitol Hill which will be a collaboration with Carl Bernstein set in Capitol Hill. It examines partisanship and the role money plays in influencing national governance.

Also he has been an outspoken critic of the drug war for decades now. To say he just bitches on social media is a gross misrepresentation of his career.

His article on his friends murdered in the Capital Gazette shootings was important.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/features/baltimore-insider-blog/bs-md-ci-david-simon-trump-shooting-20180709-story.html

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
26. As am I
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:27 PM
Dec 2018

I just get my back up a little sometimes.

I saw David speak in Denver a couple of years ago. Brilliant and profane.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
28. Awesome! The closest I came was seeing
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:39 PM
Dec 2018

Michael K Williams (Omar) at an Obama rally in 2008. The future Pres gave him some major props.
That seems such a long time ago.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
22. We will NOT go through "oh but her DNA test" campaign. If this happens collectively we
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:21 PM
Dec 2018

must somehow respond so that the MSM knows this is type of candidate coverage is unacceptable. We need a national platform and credible person to spread the word. Instead of impeachment, Tom Steyer would be better off putting his millions into a public awareness campaign bringing awareness to this kind of media coverage. I have a brother in law who constantly sends me Crazy RW propaganda. He recently sent me some crazy article circulated on Facebook and I looked up the author’s name and it was a fake name used by Russian trolls. We text each other different memes and cartoons but the problem is that he actually believes the crazy shit he sends me even when I show him proof it is Russian propaganda. I call him Benedict Ronald, in jest, but it’s not far off. I tell him he is being used by the Russians to divide our country and he just laughs and thinks I am just a crazy liberal. A reckoning is coming......

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