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MineralMan

(146,308 posts) Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:44 PM Dec 2018

Say, Let's not Remove Pence until January, OK?

Too much risk of Paul Ryan stepping into the Presidency if Pence were gone and Trump abruptly resigned.

It wouldn't be prudent at this juncture to force Pence to resign. Just wait until the new Congress is seated.

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Say, Let's not Remove Pence until January, OK? (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2018 OP

The WH is frantically trying to maneuver themselves around... Zoonart Dec 2018 #1

Yes. That is their worst nightmare, I'm sure. MineralMan Dec 2018 #2

Caution against what? jberryhill Dec 2018 #16

Expectations are getting WILDLY out of control manor321 Dec 2018 #3

I don't think they can get a VP approved in 2018 Renew Deal Dec 2018 #4

There will be no Trump-Pence two-fer. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #5

Correct jberryhill Dec 2018 #7

Meh jberryhill Dec 2018 #6

Pants doesn't require 2naSalit Dec 2018 #9

Being arrested doesn't magically make him not VP jberryhill Dec 2018 #10

Bet he'd resign if indicted... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #11

He doesn't have to. Agnew didn't have to. jberryhill Dec 2018 #12

What I've been saying for weeks...nt 2naSalit Dec 2018 #8

How do we remove Pence? onenote Dec 2018 #13

Step 1 - Steal Underpants... jberryhill Dec 2018 #14

Merry Fitzmas, MineralMan! maxsolomon Dec 2018 #15

Good thought. Get rid of Trump, then Pence, then the GOP worst nightmare comes true. Vinca Dec 2018 #17

Zoonart

(11,866 posts)

1. The WH is frantically trying to maneuver themselves around...

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:49 PM

Dec 2018

President Pelossi

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)

2. Yes. That is their worst nightmare, I'm sure.

Reply to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:50 PM

Dec 2018

That's why I offered my words of caution.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

16. Caution against what?

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:03 PM

Dec 2018

Who or what is going to "remove Pence"?

I'm not sure how to phrase this simply, but there is nobody with the authority to "remove Pence" if he doesn't want to go. The R majority in the Senate ensures he will not be impeached, so perhaps you might explain what it is you are cautioning against.

manor321

(3,344 posts)

3. Expectations are getting WILDLY out of control

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:58 PM

Dec 2018

It's only going to lead to disappointment.

I'll wait until the evidence backs particular theories.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)

4. I don't think they can get a VP approved in 2018

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:59 PM

Dec 2018

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)

5. There will be no Trump-Pence two-fer.

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:05 PM

Dec 2018

I know that's what people want after the Democrats take over, but no way is that happening.

Republicans will not cede over to the Democrats like that.

Trump may fall and Pence could take his place. Or for whatever reason, Pence could resign on his own and be replaced by a new VP.

But no way are both of them going out at the same time.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

7. Correct

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:12 PM

Dec 2018

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

6. Meh

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:11 PM

Dec 2018

It doesn’t take long for Trump to appoint a VP, and it’s not as if Pence could actually be impeached by January anyway.

What is it you intend to suggest by “remove Pence”? Like, who in your mind has the power to do that?

2naSalit

(86,612 posts)

9. Pants doesn't require

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:18 PM

Dec 2018

impeachment, he can be arrested and perpwalked any time. We need for the next Congress to be sworn in, because when the indictments come down, it could include a big chunk of Congress, the entire Cabinet and the throne so, best we wait until stable minds are in the room to fill the vacancies anticipated. Congress adjourns after next Friday, I can wait until January 3rd or 4th.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

10. Being arrested doesn't magically make him not VP

Reply to 2naSalit (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:19 PM

Dec 2018

In order to not be VP he must resign, be impeached, or die.

See, e.g. Spiro Agnew.

We literally have an example of a criminally charged VP, and folks still don’t seem to get it.

2naSalit

(86,612 posts)

11. Bet he'd resign if indicted...

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:20 PM

Dec 2018

but maybe not, he's not a decent man.

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

12. He doesn't have to. Agnew didn't have to.

Reply to 2naSalit (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:21 PM

Dec 2018

2naSalit

(86,612 posts)

8. What I've been saying for weeks...nt

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:15 PM

Dec 2018

onenote

(42,703 posts)

13. How do we remove Pence?

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:21 PM

Dec 2018

He isn't going to be impeached and convicted. And even if he's indicted, I would bet against him giving up and resigning (a la Agnew) but would expect him to fight it out.