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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTaking business money from Putin in exchange for election help is treason.
Treason has a colloquial sense and a legal sense.
The Rosenbergs were executed. We call them traitors and say they committed treason.
In fact, the judge that sentenced them to death said they committed treason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
I consider your crime worse than murder ... I believe your conduct in putting into the hands of the Russians the A-Bomb years before our best scientists predicted Russia would perfect the bomb has already caused, in my opinion, the Communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason. Indeed, by your betrayal you undoubtedly have altered the course of history to the disadvantage of our country. No one can say that we do not live in a constant state of tension. We have evidence of your treachery all around us every day for the civilian defense activities throughout the nation are aimed at preparing us for an atom bomb attack.[29]
But the Rosenbergs were found guilty of crimes under the Espionage act, not under the constitutional definition of treason.
Do not be distracted by rightwing sematicists trying to sabotage discourse by objecting to the definition of treason.
We can and should call what Trump did treason, and we can call him a traitor.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He was claiming something similar about campaign finance laws. The question to him was about the possible campaign finance crime(s). Rand Paul responded that, yu know, it's TECHNICALLY a crime, but it shouldn't be. It's not that serious. It should have a fine. And remember that John Edwards was found guilty of breaking campaign finance laws but didn't have to go to jail.
He then goes on to say that when a witness says something that a prosecutor has caused him to say by maybe specifically asking him to name a crime that President Trump or someone has done, that shouldn't be regarded the same way as other things. (Rand Paul was parroting a Trump argument here...that the Mueller team was asking witnesses to lie...never mind that there is zero evidence of that, that's not the way federal counsel behaves, and from what we know about Mueller, is not something the Mueller team would do.)
Put Rand Paul in the "I'm standing with Trump" corner, at least for the time being.
triron
(22,008 posts)triron
(22,008 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)In return for damaging American democracy and selling out to Putin in office.
Still treasonous.