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Seth Abramson: The Butina plea deal is bigger news than many realize. (Original Post) triron Dec 2018 OP
The abc report is a must read, IMO blm Dec 2018 #1
+1...Thanks for that BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #6
This is the connection between the dirty Russian mob-state money Volaris Dec 2018 #17
Geez - add this news report "Moscow's long term strategy in US" blm Dec 2018 #18
I'm not smart enough to figure out if her mission was money laundering to the NRA, recruiting assets dameatball Dec 2018 #2
It's not just trump and the repugs taking a hit with her singing... brush Dec 2018 #27
I think they're always on the prowl for assets. WheelWalker Dec 2018 #37
Looks like Butina is singing. Botany Dec 2018 #3
+1. Not a cultural ambassador. An actual foreign agent sent on a mission to damage our country. dalton99a Dec 2018 #5
This was not an attack on Hillary, Democrats, or.. Botany Dec 2018 #9
A coordinated attack by the USSR and parties within the US erronis Dec 2018 #20
There is no information yet, watoos Dec 2018 #31
She is cooperating fully. triron Dec 2018 #33
Yeah, so were Manafort and Cohen ... mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #43
"How to respond to an FSB offer of employment" .99center Dec 2018 #4
Highly significant dalton99a Dec 2018 #7
Oh my! Roland99 Dec 2018 #8
Isn't this simply delicious??! "How to respond, oh, how to respond"??!? Leghorn21 Dec 2018 #11
Yep, you don't write a note to self, you call the FBI. brush Dec 2018 #28
Read the abc news link - the entire report is dynamite blm Dec 2018 #12
How stupid to put that into writing & leave it lying around! nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #14
That's just the thing isn't it ?! Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #35
woa! 😳 BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2018 #16
Butina is going to sing Apollyonus Dec 2018 #10
I hope you are right but, watoos Dec 2018 #32
They may grant her asylum on those grounds Apollyonus Dec 2018 #44
I think this is a potentially very significant development as well Jarqui Dec 2018 #13
OMG. So much to digest. How much is real vs. potential vs. open to interpretation. Thanx. erronis Dec 2018 #21
That is exactly how to take them "real vs. potential vs. open to interpretation" Jarqui Dec 2018 #24
So Bolton is suspect too. Throw out the whole bunch...better yet, lock them all up. brush Dec 2018 #30
+1000.nt ecstatic Dec 2018 #40
I'm pretty sure, watoos Dec 2018 #34
I just watched the first video clip, and how anyone voted for that wackjob I don't know EleanorR Dec 2018 #45
She is a liar like Manafort. I don't trust either of them. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #15
Don't forget Putin's hackers also broke into the RNC servers, Volaris Dec 2018 #19
And a triple agent. Or at least very capable of lying in many positions. erronis Dec 2018 #22
Daily Beast is reporting that she will "fully" cooperate, "no holds barred". triron Dec 2018 #23
I watched Rachel watoos Dec 2018 #36
And now Torshin quickly resigned his cushy Ilsa Dec 2018 #25
Does he live in a high rise ? Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #39
Or touch doorknobs, or car door handles, or drink liquids. Blue_true Dec 2018 #42
Yes, as posted above. National Security Advisor John Bolton has ties to Butina through the NRA ffr Dec 2018 #26
Knowing how Putin deals with agents who in his view betray Russia, it has to Enoki33 Dec 2018 #29
I don't want to rain on everyone's parade but, watoos Dec 2018 #38
I was wrong, it looks like she has agreed to fully cooperate, watoos Dec 2018 #41

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
17. This is the connection between the dirty Russian mob-state money
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 10:54 PM
Dec 2018

And the RNC..it went through the NRA.

If so much as the janitor at NRA HQ knew about this, there's no way there's not a RICO indictment attached to this heh....

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
2. I'm not smart enough to figure out if her mission was money laundering to the NRA, recruiting assets
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:22 PM
Dec 2018

among Repubs, something else entirely or all of the above. But it sure as hell is interesting to see what comes out of this.

brush

(53,779 posts)
27. It's not just trump and the repugs taking a hit with her singing...
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 PM
Dec 2018

the dirty money dealings of the NRA is also going to be spotlighted.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
3. Looks like Butina is singing.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:26 PM
Dec 2018

Say goodbye Donnie & maybe Pence too.

This Russia/Trump thing has been going on for years and she was a Russian agent.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
9. This was not an attack on Hillary, Democrats, or..
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:40 PM
Dec 2018

... our election systems but an act of war by a hostile foreign power. And look now and you can see Russian influence on the riots in Paris, Bretex, and America's democracy and the people who went along with this are guilty of treason. (After a fair trial)

Funny how the NRA has gone broke after their links to Russia were exposed. My Senator, Portman, got millions from the NRA/Russia and millions more in dark money TV ads that helped him and Trump in Ohio because of citizens United.

erronis

(15,273 posts)
20. A coordinated attack by the USSR and parties within the US
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:02 PM
Dec 2018

I don't use the anachronism Russia anymore since Putin is just trying to regenerate his childhood motherland - the Soviets.

This does not just come from the Kremlin or other foreign agents. It is supported by and influenced by many US plutocrats/oligarchs such as the Mercers and Kochs.

I hope that the Mueller probes as well as heightened awareness by governments and justice will identify many more culpables. Perhaps the whole of the (R)epuglicon congress.

And don't cry for the NRA. They've stashed a lot of funds and weapons just in case.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
31. There is no information yet,
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:07 AM
Dec 2018

on what kind of cooperation deal she agreed to. If she is spilling her guts the minute she touches down in Russia she is dead.

I'm hopeful that she is connecting the dots between Russian money to NRA to Trump/GOP, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
43. Yeah, so were Manafort and Cohen ...
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:51 AM
Dec 2018

Please ... at this stage, that claim means ZERO.

Even less really because she's almost certainly a highly-trained Intel Asset, unlike either PM or MC.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
11. Isn't this simply delicious??! "How to respond, oh, how to respond"??!?
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:42 PM
Dec 2018

Just say “NYET”, ya fuckin traitor



and fuck right off

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
35. That's just the thing isn't it ?!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:16 AM
Dec 2018

None of these people - from trmp on down - thought they would ever get caught. They all thought they were so clever, so much smarter than anyone. They thought they could pull all of this off and no one would be able to see through the smoke and mirrors. Listen to Roger Stone for chrissakes. He actually thinks he is Jason Bourne. That trmpie jr. thought of himself as a major player or Kushner thought he was the master of international intrigue, for that matter. It's just madness.

When you live on Arrogance Avenue in FantasyLand, you'll believe in anything.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
10. Butina is going to sing
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:42 PM
Dec 2018

and point to the honchos in the NRA who laundered money for Trump.

This will be painful to the NRA .... I love it.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
32. I hope you are right but,
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:10 AM
Dec 2018

nothing has been confirmed yet. The type of cooperation she is doing has not been confirmed. If she spills her guts when she is sent back to Russia she is dead.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
24. That is exactly how to take them "real vs. potential vs. open to interpretation"
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:31 PM
Dec 2018

i can't vouch for them all.

But watching Rachel's show tonight, Butina could blows the doors open on this scandal from some of the stuff tweeted above

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
34. I'm pretty sure,
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

that so far she has only plead guilty to not registering as an agent of a foreign government.

EleanorR

(2,391 posts)
45. I just watched the first video clip, and how anyone voted for that wackjob I don't know
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:17 PM
Dec 2018

"Putin loves Obama, Putin hates Obama, everyone hates us, I know Putin..."

And mentioning it would be bad if Russia and China started deaiing, well that's just what trump has managed to facilitate.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
19. Don't forget Putin's hackers also broke into the RNC servers,
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:00 PM
Dec 2018

But never released what they found there. I got fifty bucks that says a lot of it was Kompromat on top GOPers, that they held as leverage, and this chic is gonna give up the 'paper trail'.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
25. And now Torshin quickly resigned his cushy
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:48 PM
Dec 2018

bank CEO job and no one has heard much of anything from him. I wonder if he is in hiding, wondering if Putin will take him out?

ffr

(22,670 posts)
26. Yes, as posted above. National Security Advisor John Bolton has ties to Butina through the NRA
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:54 PM
Dec 2018

And something about Ivanka Trump being the glue, but I'm too lazy to go find what her tie was to them.

It's a total clusterfuck of a utopian swamp. The individual-1's corruption leads from him, to his family, to his inner circle, to his outer circle, to Mitch McConnell's wife, to complicit Paul Ryan sitting on this thumbs and beyond.

Unbelievable!!!

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
29. Knowing how Putin deals with agents who in his view betray Russia, it has to
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:58 PM
Dec 2018

be considered that he sees he can no longer protect dotard, and has given Butina the green light to create as much chaos as possible by exposing the corrupt underbelly of our democratic process. Turmoil is one of the unstated goals of attacking Western democracies in the Kremlin’s quest for geopolitical domination. The answer may be found if she lives a long life.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
38. I don't want to rain on everyone's parade but,
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:20 AM
Dec 2018

I watched Rachel and her Daily Beast guest and I don't remember her saying that Butina promised to "fully" cooperate. The statement I heard was that they didn't know the extent of her cooperation agreement.

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