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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:01 PM Dec 2018

Pierce: Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office

Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office
So much for the Liberal Sellout.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
DEC 11, 2018

On Tuesday, right about at lunchtime, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer dropped down the street to the White House to have a chat with the president*. What followed was a piece of video that will live forever as a window into this sludgepot of a political moment. It is not that remarkable if you've ever watched Question Time from any of the various parliaments around the world. (I mean, holy Oliver Cromwell, somebody presented the mace in the House of Commons on Monday.) But, because the American government is greased by tawdry piety and transparently artificial civility, the meeting might as well have taken place in the Octogon.

The single most lasting impression of this altogether remarkable bit of reality-show theater was the look we got into what happens when people tell this particular president* that he can't have what he wants.

Watch as Pelosi tries, not altogether angrily, to explain to him that he doesn't have the votes for the big, beautiful, stupid wall for which, of course, Mexico is going to pay. She says the votes aren't there. He keeps saying he can get them instantly, but that the problem is that he can't get the votes in the Senate. They're both right. He doesn't have the votes in either place. But he runs down all the applause lines that get the rubes all ginned up at his rallies, and Pelosi keeps calmly telling him that, while he's as full of shit as the Christmas goose, nevertheless he and his big, beautiful, stupid wall should get further stuffed anyway.

(You should also notice that, off to one side, Mike Pence clearly has been shot with the trank gun by the Secret Service.)

Even Schumer suddenly discovers a thin vein of iron in his spine and maneuvers El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago into bragging about shutting down the government unless he gets his way, thereby undercutting any political strategy the Republicans in Congress might have been developing to blame a prospective shutdown on the Democrats. That sound you hear is the Republican congressional leadership taking delivery of a barge-load of bourbon.

Welcome to the next two years, and thank nature's god for them.

Pelosi has the president in her pocket and she knows it. (It will dawn on him eventually, too. Maybe.) The House controls the budget and, in January, the Democratic Party will hold the House. Since any argument about Pelosi's being an Accommodating Liberal Sellout should die with the release of this video, she will be the Speaker—and, as such, she can shred his administration*. This is the most essential part.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25475246/nancy-pelosi-mocks-president-trump-wall-oval-office/

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Pierce: Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office (Original Post) mcar Dec 2018 OP
Kick and rec. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #1
Trump is clearly out of his league in that meeting. apcalc Dec 2018 #2
And I don't think Pelosi & Schumer were expecting it mcar Dec 2018 #3
I agree. The only person "setting" everyone up was Trump lunatica Dec 2018 #52
We saw the power of speaking the truth to defeat a Repug setup by Orange#45. nt NCjack Dec 2018 #64
Mitch came out right away and said no shutdown! True Blue American Dec 2018 #20
He doesn't know government or governing. He is out of his league when he leaves Mar-a-lago. allgood33 Dec 2018 #31
He's used to people he can con. Pelosi & Schumer aren't those people. calimary Dec 2018 #66
Great piece dalton99a Dec 2018 #4
here you go... DonViejo Dec 2018 #5
So good! mcar Dec 2018 #6
Thanks, Don! Nancy.. ".. we'll see Cha Dec 2018 #8
Take note the repeated use of her first name before each proclamation. Bully behavior. LuckyLib Dec 2018 #13
My auto mechanic does that constantly. He speaks broken English, so he uses it as a pause. C Moon Dec 2018 #19
Was Pence hypnotised Scarsdale Dec 2018 #32
He sure seemed heavily sedated mcar Dec 2018 #36
Mama trying patiently to explain NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #35
Sweet Nancy.. what's this Cha Dec 2018 #7
She is a badass! mcar Dec 2018 #37
.. Cha Dec 2018 #41
I'm reading he's still pitching a hissy mcar Dec 2018 #42
This should shut down the Pelosi whine that she's . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #9
Go, Nancy! connecticut yankee Dec 2018 #18
You got THAT right!!!!! MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #33
And if you noticed, Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #49
It should, peggysue2 mcar Dec 2018 #38
You will not win! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #10
the wallTrump the wallTrump the wallTrump Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #11
I heard on the Lawrence O'Donnell show that he said it 45 times. lunatica Dec 2018 #53
is reality playin a joke on us? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #54
It depends on which reality you're talking about lunatica Dec 2018 #55
Best political television I've seen in decades. mahannah Dec 2018 #12
He's like an impatient child mokawanis Dec 2018 #14
See that face go red?:) True Blue American Dec 2018 #21
He tried so hard to appear like he was't angry mokawanis Dec 2018 #26
Especially when True Blue American Dec 2018 #58
My theory about Mike Pence ;-) FakeNoose Dec 2018 #15
He's Busy Thinking SDJay Dec 2018 #17
Yeah. Blue_true Dec 2018 #29
Don't forget about Pedophilia. They bring that shit up all the time. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #43
Nice To See Pence SDJay Dec 2018 #16
Either that, or he ate some special brownies before the meeting. Ilsa Dec 2018 #28
. AwakeAtLast Dec 2018 #50
Nancy and Chuck not only exposed dotard as being out of his league trying to Enoki33 Dec 2018 #22
Didn't even have to lead him. He built and then threw himself in his own trap. paleotn Dec 2018 #23
booyah! The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #24
The worlds greatest negotiator just got pantsed in front NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #25
And by a girl!* mcar Dec 2018 #39
As much as I admire and respect my J-school classmate -- Charlie Pierce -- I'm surprised... Fritz Walter Dec 2018 #27
This isn't just a distraction- they have to pass a funding bill YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #51
I didn't notice her mocking him in front of him. But I saw that HE was trying to blame the Democrats Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #30
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2018 #34
It was a thing of beauty and a joy forever. Then Nancy donned her red cape and flew away. nt Hekate Dec 2018 #40
I want that red coat! And the 😎 mcar Dec 2018 #46
I know! Badass Red Cha Dec 2018 #61
Nancy D'Alessandro from Baltimore DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #44
...Pence clearly has been shot with the trank gun by the Secret Service babylonsister Dec 2018 #45
What was that! mcar Dec 2018 #47
Music to my ears. All of it. I waited 2 years for this. Pepsidog Dec 2018 #48
But Michael Moore thinks Trump is an evil genius. betsuni Dec 2018 #56
And, we "should Cha Dec 2018 #60
Wow what **sholes Stardust1 Dec 2018 #57
One of the most beautiful things BlueMTexpat Dec 2018 #59
That is my fondest hope mcar Dec 2018 #62
Pelosi will be third in line to the White House . . . MrModerate Dec 2018 #63
What a wonderful locution... NNadir Dec 2018 #65
wish p.o.s. would shut himself down Marthe48 Dec 2018 #67
Go Nancy !!! Apollyonus Dec 2018 #68
Cartoon: Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #69
Great one! mcar Dec 2018 #70

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
2. Trump is clearly out of his league in that meeting.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:20 PM
Dec 2018

Pelosi and Schumer expertly set him up for a fall - to brag and admit that he and he alone will take the mantle , the blame , for a government shutdown if he doesn’t ‘get his way’ .

I don’t think most Republicans want a shutdown though anyway.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
52. I agree. The only person "setting" everyone up was Trump
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:43 AM
Dec 2018

Pelosi and Schumer realized what was happening and adroitly turned the table on him. I think he didn’t even realize the setup he walked right into when Schumer got him to admit he wanted to close the government down. I think it probably dawned on him when it was too late.

I think they looked at each other and silently agreed to go ahead and spring the trap. I did see a lot of eye contact between them.

calimary

(81,295 posts)
66. He's used to people he can con. Pelosi & Schumer aren't those people.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:43 PM
Dec 2018

They know and understand him too well. You can’t con those two, donald. You weren’t ready for people like them - and you’re stuck with them now.

They, on the other hand, were quite well-prepared for you.

dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
4. Great piece
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:27 PM
Dec 2018
PELOSI: You have the White House. You have the Senate. You have the House of Representatives. You have the votes. You should pass it.

TRUMP: No, we don't have the votes, Nancy, because in the Senate we need 60 votes, and we don't have it (ph).

PELOSI: No, no, but in the House, you could bring it up right now.

TRUMP: Yes, but I can't -- excuse me, but I can't get it passed in the House if it's not going to pass in the Senate; I don't want to waste time.

PELOSI: Well, the fact is, you can get it started that way.

TRUMP: The House we could get passed very easily, and we do.

PELOSI: OK, then do it. Then do it.

TRUMP: If I needed the votes for the wall in the House, I would have them in one session; it would be done.

PELOSI: Well, then go do it. Go do it.

TRUMP: It doesn't help, because we need 10 Democrats in the Senate.

PELOSI: No, don't put it on the Senate; put it on -- put it on the negotiation.

TRUMP: OK, let me ask you this, just -- and we're doing this in a very friendly manner. It doesn't help for me to take a vote in the House where I will win easily with the Republicans.

PELOSI: You will not win.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
13. Take note the repeated use of her first name before each proclamation. Bully behavior.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:09 PM
Dec 2018

Countless times in my own professional life I have observed men doing this when wanting to "make their point" with women.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
19. My auto mechanic does that constantly. He speaks broken English, so he uses it as a pause.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:09 PM
Dec 2018

But when sales people do it, it's annoying to no end.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
32. Was Pence hypnotised
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:22 PM
Dec 2018

before the meeting? Did "Mother" tell him not to speak to Pelosi, since she is female? Now tRump is putting all the blame on Holy Mikey for not backing him up.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. Mama trying patiently to explain
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:52 PM
Dec 2018

to a bratty 4 year old why he can't have ice cream for breakfast every day.

Catch the look on her face! She's almost rolling her eyes.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
9. This should shut down the Pelosi whine that she's . . .
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:45 PM
Dec 2018

too old for the job as Speaker, that we have anyone else who could work this moment as well and with as much steely resolve as Nancy Pelosi. When she says, "You do not have the vote?" You can take that to the bank because Pelosi knows how to whip and count votes down to the last rheumy eyeball.

This was a Master Class performance. She even inspired Chuck Schumer to show his spine. Then that triumphant march from the WH to the press pool?

Boom!

Pelosi slayed it.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
33. You got THAT right!!!!!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:23 PM
Dec 2018

THAT was a "Master Class" in how to handle IQ45!!!!!

Way to go, Madam Speaker (and, if chips can really fall the right way, Madam President!!!!)

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
10. You will not win!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:48 PM
Dec 2018

When has anyone, especially a woman said that to trump I such a forceful way. And on national TV.

That going to leave a deep mark

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,348 posts)
11. the wallTrump the wallTrump the wallTrump
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:03 PM
Dec 2018

Somebody should count how many times Putin's Toy Trump says, "the wall" in that short video. He's obsessed, demented, and possessed (by Putin).

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,348 posts)
54. is reality playin a joke on us?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:10 AM
Dec 2018

Dolt45 says "wall" 45 times while crumbing before the cameras.

That may be the secret incantation the world has been looking for.

Should be easier than saying "Beetlejuice" three times.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
55. It depends on which reality you're talking about
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 04:25 AM
Dec 2018

The one with alternate facts seems to be playing havoc, but I’m not sure, because of the Quixotic nature of it, whether it’s playing a joke on us.

mokawanis

(4,441 posts)
14. He's like an impatient child
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:33 PM
Dec 2018

constantly interrupting Pelosi. I thought maybe he was gonna have a full-blown temper tantrum and have to be rescued by Pence.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
58. Especially when
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:17 AM
Dec 2018

He stormed out, threw the papers that Schumer had just declared were a lie.

Trump lost that meeting, big time.

I have not cared much for Schumer but he has proven to be a street fighter and knows just how to push Trump buttons. No polite Harry Reid there. That smile of Chucks said it all.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
15. My theory about Mike Pence ;-)
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:58 PM
Dec 2018

I think Pence has been careful to keep his eyes downcast and his face expressionless whenever he's within earshot of Cheeto. Why? Because if he actually listens and reacts to the crap coming out of Cheeto's mouth, he'd end up being the new Plaid Shirt Guy.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
17. He's Busy Thinking
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:05 PM
Dec 2018

about how that lucky Falwell Jr. can get himself a nice cabana boy and he can't.

And yes, I enjoy the idea of homophobic bigots thinking about gay sex more than gay people do. Pence is one of them.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. Yeah.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:46 PM
Dec 2018

Rightwing Evangelicals think about gay sex and beastiality a lot. No one else think about those things at all. Wonder what else is happening between the bible-thumping?

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
16. Nice To See Pence
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:04 PM
Dec 2018

zoning out for a bit when things got tense. Nothing like a nice, steamy gay sex fantasy to break up the tension in his own little mind.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
28. Either that, or he ate some special brownies before the meeting.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:38 PM
Dec 2018

Maybe he's on THC oil supplements.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
22. Nancy and Chuck not only exposed dotard as being out of his league trying to
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:16 PM
Dec 2018

operate way above his level of competence. They exploded the myth of him being a great negotiator as another of the many frauds perpetuated on the American people. Nice how they set him up to take the blame for his threatened shutdown.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
23. Didn't even have to lead him. He built and then threw himself in his own trap.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:20 PM
Dec 2018

From now on, that should be the stock example of stupidity. Forget doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Shitler has taken stupid to a whole new level.

Even Schumer suddenly discovers a thin vein of iron in his spine and maneuvers El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago into bragging about shutting down the government unless he gets his way, thereby undercutting any political strategy the Republicans in Congress might have been developing to blame a prospective shutdown on the Democrats.

Schumer didn't maneuver anyone. Shitler brought it up and kept harping on it. Schumer just followed an age old maxim of politics. If your opponent is destroying themselves, don't interfere.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,431 posts)
25. The worlds greatest negotiator just got pantsed in front
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:27 PM
Dec 2018

of the ENTIRE WORLD.

Well done Madame Speaker, well done.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
27. As much as I admire and respect my J-school classmate -- Charlie Pierce -- I'm surprised...
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:28 PM
Dec 2018

...He didn't call this out for what it really is: Kabuki theater to draw attention away from the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into criminal interference in the 2016 elections (and perhaps beyond).

Oh, look! A shiny object!

No disrespect to Congresswoman Pelosi for showing she has what it takes to lead the House of Representatives. But we should not lose sight of the 400 lb. gorilla in the room.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
51. This isn't just a distraction- they have to pass a funding bill
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:42 AM
Dec 2018

Some attention and energy have to be applied to governance and Pelosi is good at it.

Trump has no clue how to govern, everything is political theater to him. And Speaker to be Pelosi pinned Trump’s ears back in public, because he’s clueless at this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
30. I didn't notice her mocking him in front of him. But I saw that HE was trying to blame the Democrats
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:57 PM
Dec 2018

HE was trying to show his base that it's the Democrats who have prevented him from getting his wall. Even though Pelosi tried to point out that he has the W.H., the Senate, and the House...Trump drowned her out with his temper tantrum, although he was trying to control himself.

The Democrats are not going to vote for his stupid wall, but they made an offer of $1.2Billion in exchange for a DACA bill (like they offered before). He turned that down again.

I don't think we should give even $1.2 Billion, frankly.

His base will follow him, whatever he says. He is sending out the whistle, telling them what to think and say. They will do it. Today was his message: It's the Democrats' fault. Not his, not the Republicans (the Republicans who won't vote for his wall, either).

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
44. Nancy D'Alessandro from Baltimore
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:27 PM
Dec 2018

A woman who grew up as the sole girl with 5 brothers. Her dad and brother were both mayors of Baltimore. She knows how to handle Trump and his ilk.

Cha

(297,265 posts)
60. And, we "should
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:33 AM
Dec 2018

embrace trump". And, Moore said "Stormy Daniels and the Russian Investigations were a distraction". So much for his advice.

Stardust1

(123 posts)
57. Wow what **sholes
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:17 AM
Dec 2018

They would not stop cutting her off and speaking over her. Classic misogyny. So cowardly.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
59. One of the most beautiful things
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:30 AM
Dec 2018

about this event is that IF we can rid ourselves of Orange Dotard and Penceless, Nancy automatically becomes POTUS!

If Putin thought that Hillary would be an adversary, he must really be quaking in his boots about the very real possibility of Nancy Pelosi!

Bravissima, Madame Speaker!

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
63. Pelosi will be third in line to the White House . . .
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:49 AM
Dec 2018

And neither Trump nor Pence are looking especially teflon-y these days.

Marthe48

(16,963 posts)
67. wish p.o.s. would shut himself down
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:04 PM
Dec 2018

At what point was Walker arrested? How much evidence did they have? Who arrested him? Why can't some federal officer arrest trump for treason? Why does anyone convey legitimacy to his presence in the Oval Office? How much more damage is going to be done while law enforcement sits on its hands?

I've been patient, we all have. But the writing is on the wall and we need him out. How much crap has he pulled in the last week? How much longer before he steers the ship of state onto a reef? Oh hell, before he sinks it.

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