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OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:06 PM Dec 2018

Brexit: Tory resentment of Irish power within EU

womp womp !

Nicholas Watt
Newsnight political editor
@nicholaswatt

A Tory grandee recently sidled up to me to express grave reservations about the Brexit process.

"We simply cannot allow the Irish to treat us like this," the former minister said about the negotiating tactics of the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar.

The Conservative MP was exasperated that the Republic of Ireland (population: 4.8m) has been able to shape the EU negotiating stance that has put such pressure on the UK (population: 66m).

"This simply cannot stand," the one-time moderniser told me. "The Irish really should know their place."

The remarks explained why Conservatives from both sides of the Brexit divide are so troubled by the negotiations. They also explain why Theresa May might find that any concessions from the EU over the Northern Ireland backstop may fall short of the demands of Tory MPs.

SNIP

As the minister familiar with Anglo-Irish history said, the Irish Republic is standing by its decision of 1973 and the club is looking after its own.

And that is what alarms so many Tories: after centuries of troubled Anglo-Irish relations it is the smaller of the two islands which appears to be exercising greater power for the first time.



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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46528952
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OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
2. Yep, the Tory Boys don't give a shit about Ireland, so this is killing them to have these uppity
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:16 PM
Dec 2018

Paddies interfering with their Brexit scam.

It's taken 800 years to get to this point !

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
3. This shows why getting out of the EU diminishes the UK's international clout
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:51 PM
Dec 2018

Ireland has the whole EU to back it up when it needs it; the UK (a little under 1% of the world's population, or 3.5% of world GDP) doesn't.

OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
7. This is so true. We absolutely see ourselves as European in Ireland, while the English especially
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:57 PM
Dec 2018

still haven't come to terms with who they are. Many yearn for Queen, Country and Empire, but that Empire is gone and not coming back.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
10. Have been to both countries multiple times
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:02 PM
Dec 2018

And totally agree with you based on my anectdotal experience visiting with folks in each. I have a great love for both but the way this has been handled by the UK has been a shit show, starting with the referendum. A bunch of people bought into the nuttery and propaganda thrown out there by Farage/Putin. I love that Ireland is throwing the monkey wrench into this. Talk about poetic justice.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Hope you enjoyed that bowl of pottage, Brexiteers
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:57 PM
Dec 2018

You had a super sweet deal in the EU, but you listened to Russian propaganda and couldn't resist poking those dumb ol' globalist hippies in the eye. Oh, they were so pwned! And now you discover - when it's too late - that by flouncing out of the agreement you ceded all leverage you might have had to . . . the IRISH! That's a third degree burn right there. Self inflicted.

bpj62

(999 posts)
12. Topic of Conversation
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:36 PM
Dec 2018

I was in Ireland this summer visiting relatives and the two topics that were discussed the most outside of family discussions was what the hell were you Americans thinking when you elected Trump and the other was what the hell were the British thinking when they voted for Brexit. The Irish economy has largely recovered from the 2008 crash and although they came kicking and screaming into the EU in 73 they fully embrace what it has done for them. They are also quite aware of what Brexit could do to their relationship with Northern Ireland. The last thing they need is a hard border crossing between them. Many feel that it is time to talk about uniting all of Ireland. This Torie MP is typical of how the conservative party in England has always viewed the Irish. Nothing but contempt and disdain.

OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
15. In general, we saw it as a way to extricate ourselves from being associated with the British State,
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:21 AM
Dec 2018

but if there was one mistake it was relying too heavily on Anglo Irish trade, largely due to the common language factor. This has been a kick in the backside to force us to reduce our dependence on UK Trade, and that is a good thing in the long term. Some might be talking about a United Ireland (and a no deal Brexit might force the issue), but the cost of taking on the North would be crippling for us. They are hugely reliant on subsidies from the British Government.

To give you an example of Conservative Party utter ignorance, this is just from a few days ago.

Tory MP suggests using possible 'no-deal' food shortages to force Ireland to drop the backstop

AS UK PRIME Minister Theresa May has just five days to try to rally support for her Brexit deal, a Tory MP has suggested using the possibility of food shortages in Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit to encourage the EU to drop the backstop. A government report, leaked to the Times of London, has indicated that there could be food shortages in Ireland in a no-deal Brexit scenario, and the economic impact on Ireland would be worse than in the UK. This is based on the large number of food exports from the UK to Ireland (more than half of the total food imported to Ireland comes from the UK). In the event of a no-deal, trade rules would revert to those used by the World Trade Organisation (WTO), but the UK would have to apply to become a member of the WTO to implement them.

At a Brexit event for local authorities held in Dublin this week, economist Dan O’Brien echoed those sentiments, adding that the threat of food shortages and supplies in a no-deal scenario shouldn’t be underestimated. According to today’s article, the UK government report has indicated that there would be a 7% drop in GDP for Ireland, while the equivalent for the UK would be a drop of 5%.

Tory MP Priti Patel has told the paper that these warnings should have been used as leverage against Ireland to encourage them to drop the backstop. “This paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.” Patel resigned as International Development Secretary last November after holding 12 meetings with Israeli groups and officials outside the proper protocol.

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon reacted to the story, saying that “The sheer moral bankruptcy of the Tory Brexiteers is on full display today.” Ex-Labour MP Tom Blenkinsop, who is of Irish heritage, also reacted to the story, saying:

“…It amazes me that these expensively educated Brexiteers have literally learned nowt about the history of these very isles”.




https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

bpj62

(999 posts)
16. Interesting Article
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:30 AM
Dec 2018

Thank you for the follow up. It never ceases to amaze me how some in England still view Ireland.

Takket

(21,573 posts)
13. i find this entire process absurd
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:03 PM
Dec 2018

The UK said "fuck you" to the entire EU and now they are acting like they are entitled to anything more than a boot up the ass on the way out the door. The nationalist deplorables of Britain thought they could do it all alone, and they have fucked their country every bit as bad as the deplorables here fucked ours.

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