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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWisconsin is fucked. For now
Scott Walker signed the Republican lame duck session bill that takes power away from the incoming Democratic governor and attorney general who just won election.
So I guess the Republicans are again at the game of "If you can't win, fuck them over."
It will take a while, but this will not stand. If the courts don't/won't overturn it, the voters of Wisconsin will crush the Republican Party in 2020. And Wisconsin won't be the only place this happens.
The Republican Party is committing suicide. Fuck 'em. The quicker the better.
They'll still be around to some degree or another in much of the South and in some western states. But the desperation of what they've done in Wisconsin is their death knell. They are about to become extinct.
A new, sane opposition party must come into being as we don't want to live in a country with one party rule.
But today's Republican Party is a fascist organization that is headed for the dust heap of history.
And, oh yeah. I almost forgot. Scott Walker is a major league prick.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)Terry_M
(745 posts)If this election they got 63% of the assembly while losing by 8% in the popular vote, what're we going to do in 2020? Beat them by 10% so they only have 60% of the assembly?
The only hope for starting to turn things in the other direction is that the governor may be able to veto the redistricting happening in 2021 until they come up with a less skewed map. I don't actually know if he even has to approve that though but if he does... Then 2022 may have a less skewed map... And then after that things can start to improve.
catbyte
(34,451 posts)Take it directly to the people. I'll bet that the republicans lose their majorities in both Michigan houses in 2020 just becaue of that.
James48
(4,440 posts)States dont redistribute next until after the 2020 census. Soonest new districts wont be till election of 2022.
old guy
(3,283 posts)The chance for change came and went with this election. Dems got more votes state wide and still lost. Won't be different in 2020.
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)erronis
(15,330 posts)It still amazes me that Republican-appointed judges and even prosecutors can act ethically in the face of this barrage of lying and intimidation.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)who elected them. Claim this was like packing the courts or gerrymandering as it is unprecedented to deny the dems the same powers they enjoyed. It may have been within the law but was unethical and outside the spirit for which elections are held.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Now that we got the governorship, we MUST ensure we have a majority in the WI Supreme Court. OR else we might still get fucked when redistricting happens after 2020.
elocs
(22,600 posts)The Republican, or conservative candidate won.
Now that primary was easily won by Sanders, but 12% of his supporters didn't even bother to vote in the state Supreme Court race even though they had the ballot right in front of them when they voted.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)they are conservative liberal or what. Unless we voters are informed about judges we are guessing whether to keep them or appoint them.
elocs
(22,600 posts)unless you were living in a cave it was pretty easy to tell who was conservative and who was Liberal. But I guess the Left has low information voters as well.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Im so tired of being on the right side of history;
While living in the wrong side of it now.
So many people have fought the Kochsuckers for walkers entire run.
Its so exhausting.
At least, I finally Supported some folks who won. Evers,Barnes and Kaul. As hollow a victory as the Pukes could make it.
RobertDevereaux
(1,858 posts)A group run by former Democratic U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder says it plans legal action to block a limitation on early voting in Wisconsin signed into law by Gov. Scott Walker.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Caliman73
(11,744 posts)North Carolina's Republican excesses were struck down at the State level by NC's own state court. The problem is that Wisconsin's State court is packed with right wing ideologues who would most likely rule in favor of what the GOP there did. It could likely be appealed to the Federal courts, but the Feds would likely kick it down as they don't like to get involved in internal state politics.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)that part?
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)boycottwirepublicans.godaddysites.com
And shame them in public!
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)The GOP is the party of lying, stealing, corruption and cheating.
littlemissmartypants
(22,805 posts)Screwing over states since the 1970's.
There is Nothing new under the sun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council
Check out the section entitled "Notable policies and model bills" and see if you find anything familiar.
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)that with this new Congress being seated this Jan, 3, 2109.....................that something needs to be done with ALEC and the KOCH's and Citizens United...........................this is why Wisconsin and the entire country is getting fucked over................................these assholes and the Federalist Society have been getting away with this shit for to long.................
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)JAD
(187 posts)Walker loves Kohl's. Kohl's corporate office is in Wisconsin. Bye Kohl's!
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)just saying...
JAD
(187 posts)Kohl's has more leverage over Walker than I do.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)John Menard has donated bigly to the Koch Bros. He's the "richest" man in Wisconsin and a huge dick!
JAD
(187 posts)I have never seen a Menard's let alone shopped there.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I have never seen a Menard's let alone shopped there...
No worries. 'Menard's has more leverage over Walker than you do...'
LBM20
(1,580 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Oops I meant the NRA.
Vinca
(50,304 posts)tinrobot
(10,916 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)Get this:
Walker cripples (or tries to) Evers and Kaul...
Everything the Republican controlled legislature does is designed to make Evers fail..
But everybody knows Evers has been knee-capped by Walker
If Republicans make Evers fail...
It's because of the manipulation of the Republicans...Walker, Fitzgerald and Voss and their flying monkeys in the legislature.
They have plotted their own demise.
keithbvadu2
(36,907 posts)rlegro
(338 posts)hostalover
(447 posts)from Wisconsin was saying they are doing this for the people who don't live in Madison and Milwaukee. He said those people are the ones that matter. Thus the votes in the urban areas were not as important as those statewide. I found that to be very alarming. Other states could be similarly defrauded. It further heightens the divisions we have in this country. I do hate republicans.
paleotn
(17,960 posts)Worse yet, they re-fucked themselves when he won the recall vote.
elocs
(22,600 posts)while Republicans voted like it was there duty. As a consequence, the entire state flipped from Democratic to Republican control and Feingold lost his senate seat.
The Law of Unintended Consequences bit us in the ass with the recall when after our 100,000 people demonstrations in Madison we found that Wisconsin law said a person had to be in office for a year before they could be recalled. During that year, with Koch money, Trump was able to build a strong and well funded political machine. The recall election was in June of 2012 and Walker won. Now had that recall election been held during Obama's reelection in November it would likely have been a loss for Walker.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Elections have consequences. And one of the consequences is that, if you vote for the wrong people, the elections impact and sometimes even help to invalidate subsequent elections.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...will hold just 36% of the seats.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)that there's a good chance these lame duck changes will be declared unconstitutional. They did it before...in 2016. One professor or expert said that was partly why they lost in 2018, despite heavy gerrymandering.
This has been sued over twice before, the article said, and in both cases, the change(s) were ruled unconstitutional, or at least some of them.
There is a separation of powers among the branches. One cannot require supervision over another branch, or to inject itself in litigation (which was one of the changes), or to change measures that were placed in the law by the citizens (the min. wage and sick leave laws). So there's hope.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)When a party gets 45% of the vote but 64% of the seats, there's a very serious problem.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)elocs
(22,600 posts)Wow, really believe this is all going to happen in 2020 in the highly gerrymandered districts here? Because it's not. Oh, it could happen eventually, but it's not going to happen in 2 years.
catbyte
(34,451 posts)ballot like we did in Michigan. Wisconsin is gerrymandered up the wazoo, and there will no parity until that wrong is righted. It's now up to a bipartisan commission to draw the lines, not the legislature. The gop fought it tooth and nail, all to no avail. Wisconsin, look at Michigan!
Blue Owl
(50,498 posts)This is an affront to democracy, and when Wisconsin's crooked crony judges are replaced this will be overturned.
And Scott Walker -- just get the fuck outta everyone's life and disappear, you weaseley, runty little scumbag...
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Until then we are, in fact, well and truly fucked. The Republicans got around 45% of the vote in the 2018 election, yet won 66% of all State Assembly seats. They actually GAINED in the State Senate, too. THESE are the fuckers passing this lame duck bullshit.
The only saving graces are: (1) we've got a really good shot at unseating a conservative State Supreme Court judge in 2020, which would give us a liberal majority there and (2) incoming Governor Evers (D) will have veto power over all the legislative maps in 2020.
Talitha
(6,617 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)Conservatives destroy. Liberals rebuild. Conservatives regain a foothold when most people are comfortable. Rinse. Repeat.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Hotler
(11,445 posts)the republican party, selfishness and hatefulness. This is why madam speaker and the rest of our elected Dems should not and can not play nice with those on the others side of the isle.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)lark
(23,156 posts)Of course, if the judges were picked by Scott, they will probably be scumbags anti-democratic asses too. Hopefully there's enough that actually cares about the law and fairness.
cp
(6,655 posts)Just a small sample, but every time I heard it, I was cheered.
I'm 67 and it's going to take the rest of my life and then some to repair and rebuild our Wisconsin.
still_one
(92,397 posts)in Wisconsin. Michigan, North Carolina, and the whole country especially in regard to healthcare.
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)for the next two years, so they can retire for the rest of their lives. That is problem with Citizens United. The electorate never gets a chance to hold anyone accountable. Once you are in office, you accept a few million in bribes to hand out a few billion in tax dollars and you are set for life. Re-election is for chumps. The savvy GOP grifter knows to take the money and run---we will be seeing a lot of this from Trump who will talk big in order to build up his "re-election" coffer--and then flee at the last minute in order to avoid impeachment by the new Democratic super-majority. And all the dupes who will pay him all those billions to build "border walls" that will never be built will have no one but themselves to blame.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)And 2020 is coming. Amped and ready!
iluvtennis
(19,872 posts)ffr
(22,671 posts)Let the fury rage upon them for their undemocratic ways.
Firestorm49
(4,037 posts)As long as Wisconsin is gerrymandered as badly as it is, Dems will not win, as was proven in the last election. The districts are purposely set up to retain control despite the will of the people. The WI Supreme Court is by design, stacked with Republicans. Until the State Supreme Court, or Federal Supreme Court gets some balls and mandates that rules requiring gerrymandered districts be competitive (or, at the very most, does away with gerrymandering altogether) we will continue to have Republican domination and suppression of the will of the people forever. No number of votes can conquer highly partisan gerrymandering. That was their plan, and damn it, they pulled it off. Were not dealing with kids here. Were dealing with the demise of democracy planned and instituted by the Republican Party, and they damn well wont go down without a fight. Repulsive evidence is now on display for our incoming Governor.
Its kind of funny. Michael Moore, not one of my favorite Democrats, made the statement that we are given the illusion of having voting power until the second we step away from the booth. After that, its back to business as usual. How true.
Access Geek
(19 posts)Ban the GOP.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)It appears to be the only sane fix in all of this. Leaves politics out of it and relies on science.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-04-16/mathematician-who-s-using-geometry-fight-gerrymandering
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Meet-the-Math-Professor/239260
http://theconversation.com/rebooting-the-mathematics-behind-gerrymandering-73096
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You know, I could live with one party rule for 10 years or so. We've been living under their rule since Jimmy Carter was elected. Thank goodness those who started this hate fest are in their dotage and will not be here much longer to pay for the opposition to post stupid ass shit everywhere.
Yep, 20 years sounds better. Maybe by then we can have some real civilized conversations about the direction we as people, and we as country are headed.
Democracy is not a sound-byte, in spite of what is considered the MSM tells you. They need to be swept aside also. I am not sure they understand (may be they do) the very real damage they have wrecked and are still doing. See CBS Morning. See Morning Joe. ONLY republicans are allowed to their table. Very few from the Democratic Party are allowed.
The hang-wringing and concern trolling - What are we going to do; What are Democrats going to do? - they are acting as if Democrats have never been in the majority, that the Democratic Party just popped out the aethers and are going to take down civilization as we know it.
It is already getting extremely old. That's what we need to answer on the MSM shows, but we are never given the chance. Pugs only if they win, Pugs only if they lose - only they have a voice. I guess we just need to scream louder.