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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow did someone as dumb and crooked as Trump never go to prison?
Trump has been involved in over 3,500 lawsuits. He won many of them. He settled many out of court. Some were sealed. He settled ,payed fines to get out of some of them. Something does not add up, something does not make sense. What else was Trump doing to get out of Trouble.
What is up with The Trump, Rudy friendship? Rudy was a prosecutor and then the mayor of New York. Rudy put people like Trump in jail. Why is Rudy fanatically trying to protect Trump? Somethings fishy.
Trump is the worst client a lawyer could ever have. He does not listen and yet Trump has never served a day in jail.
Has Trump been a life long snitch, informant? We know he turns on people in a heartbeat. Is Trump a life long rat? Did he give up other people to save his own ass over the years?
tinrobot
(10,924 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)When Plutocrats and big corporations commit crimes no one goes to prison unless the screw other rich and powerful people/corporations.
Examples: Wall Street bankers, BP big wigs...
Bernie Maddoff.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Instead of minority drug offenders. Which our government is not.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)than other crimes. Murder, of course, excepted in terms of grievousness.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Not only does it require a great deal of time and money to investigate, but once charged, the perps are usually rich enough to emply an army of lawyers to muddy the waters.
pecosbob
(7,545 posts)bluestarone
(17,062 posts)RockRaven
(15,019 posts)Not only is white collar crime comparatively-rarely investigated or prosecuted, the penalties are small and the opportunities to buy one's freedom with financial settlements/fines plentiful.
And the problem has only gotten worse post-9/11. Since then the FBI has been disproportionately redirected towards terrorism and away from fraud/financial crimes.
The wealthy make the rules. So they don't want crimes which wealthy people do investigated/prosecuted too stringently.
KPN
(15,662 posts)for example. He fleeced millionaires.
TeamPooka
(24,262 posts)bluestarone
(17,062 posts)Kali
(55,025 posts)duh
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)PJMcK
(22,055 posts)Bobby 3-Sticks.
Trumps going down.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)KPN
(15,662 posts)brush
(53,918 posts)adept at skirting the laws and suing those he cheated in business. He had the money/attorneys to outlast shorted vendors with lawsuits over and over and over. Then his last resort was bankruptcy to get out of paying his debts.
What surprises me is he hasn't been hurt by organized crime which has tentacles deep in the building trades. He must have been making dutiful payoffs to skate as he has. He certainly wasn't shorting them.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)is infamously dirty and mobbed-up, so it was most likely assumed Trump was a crook like everybody else (although it seemed that he was regarded as a bottom-feeder even by that crowd) and nobody cared very much. If he ratted out anyone else it wouldn't have been anyone important to the mob, otherwise he'd be sleepin' wit' da fishes by now. But he was good pals with Rudy Giuliani during the '80s while Rudy was the US Attorney for SDNY, and later the mayor of NYC, so there's that. Why did Rudy protect him, if he did? Money, probably. It's always money.
pecosbob
(7,545 posts)Every real estate developer I ever met was a crook.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Honestly. My former F-I-L was a district director in a very large city, and he was a straight, straight arrow. I always thought of the IRS as competent. How did DJT get away with tax fraud all these years?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)him how it's done. Yes rump has given others up to save himself..that is a FACT during the casino days.
But then this fuck veered out of his lane - and he actually thought he would get away with all this under the microscope of the Federal Govt. He deserves EVERYTHING that he shall get...and his disgusting offspring too.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)the magnifying glass he'd be under even as candidate for President even if he didn't intend to win. The information about him was out there before the election and I was salivating at him getting his due once the election was over and he was back in his gold penthouse.
Since he has been a criminal his entire life, he doesn't have a clue how much he veers from even average morality.
delisen
(6,046 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)There was a great article many years ago that
chronicled his rat fucking even then.
He was the one who set up Spitzer.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)The blueprint for doing these payoffs came to light with the Stormy Daniels payoff. Set up a shell company and launder the money through his crooked lawyer, Cohen.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Money, concert and play tickets. Knowing enough dirty info, with help of your friend Pecker, to keep them inline.
New NY DA coming next month. She should be whistle clean. Sucks to part of the Trump family.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Since you asked.
Also, Mueller brought more big time crooks to justice than Rudy ever did.
elocs
(22,613 posts)No. The reason for that is quite evident.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)to go through the trouble of unraveling his mess of a business to put him away.
He was seen as a silly, petty, conman grifter who primarily harmed other grifters like himself. He and his half-assed lawyers and accountants created layer after layer of complicated entities and transactions that made it difficult to sort through. They thought law enforcement stayed away because they were clever criminal masterminds. In truth, they left them alone because they weren't seen as worth the effort necessary to muddle through it all. Law enforcement has limited resources and personnel and using it all up to take down a penny ante crook like Trump wasn't something they cared to do.
His big mistake was running for president and continuing his grifting. If he had straightened up his act, they might have let him slide. But not only did he continue his criminality, he ramped it up. And then he got in their faces, mocking them,
tearing them down, using the power of his office to undermine them. He made it worth their while - in fact their patriotic duty - to devote their resources to going after him now that he represents a clear and present danger to the country and the world.
pandr32
(11,625 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)He was always known to be a crook, like most everybody in his business, but he wasn't important enough to bother with, especially considering the difficulty of prosecuting white-collar crime in the first place and the fact that the US Attorney was his pal. Running for and becoming president was the dumbest thing he ever did; if he'd just stayed home and continued his career as a professional grifter he'd have been fine.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Now he's screwed ...
Perseus
(4,341 posts)How many people have caused as much pain to other people as trump has? The fact that he is a racist and prevented people from renting his units because of the color of the skin should have been enough to have him pay. If rudy helped in keeping him out of jail, and that may be why he is not charging the con for his services, and lets be clear, rudy is a con as well, then that says a lot about the two and the compromise between them.
Anyway, the law should have gone after him, so many things they could have nailed him for, I cannot find a valid excuse for letting him off the hook, it speaks very badly about the judicial system.
LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)But I have concerns about this because Giuliani was part of the SDNY.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)That doesn't tell us about anything that's going on there now. And by all accounts, they're all over this.
LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)You don't see people who are truly recognized as major players in the real estate market putting their names on fake universities, clothing, steaks, wines, etc. There have always been rumors that he constantly overstates his true wealth, and I would guess that a vast majority of his current net worth is tied into marketing and licensing his name. And as you pointed out, the size of his actual real estate portfolio was likely too small to warrant spending actual resources investigating him -- at least until now.
unblock
(52,352 posts)i think he paid for certain key people to reach that conclusion.
of course, they might have reached that conclusion regardless....
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)that also helped him to get away with shit.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)2. Launder at your own criminal risk through private developers, mobsters, casinos' sellout owners. But when you aspire to involve national organizations -- NRA operatives; bankster operatives of Russia, Germany, Cyprus -- you'll get dragged into the international spotlight as criminals.
3. Be warned, mob capitalists. The FBI will continue to globalize criminal justice against you. Back off and act accordingly.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Because God wanted to show how fucked up his followers have become.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)on fellow crooks for having his own crimes ignored.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)We have a winner! Donald did exactly what he's accusing Cohen of. He was, is, a rat. He always had information on other double dealing New York/New Jersey con-men, and when he got into a jamb he couldn't get himself out of any other way, he ratted them out. Bigly. There are a lot of people in the area that would love their chance to return the favor, and with Letitia James coming his way in the coming year they may very well get their chances. I hope everyone he's ever screwed over in his entire life rats the mother fucker out and he dies in prison. A fitting end to such a sack of shit.
Me.
(35,454 posts)borgesian
(52 posts)...all the way to the presidency.
HardLineDem
(26 posts)Trump's crooked, a liar, and a reptile, but he's very skilled in using the means available to the rich -- and especially, to people in real estate development -- to get richer and to avoid responsibility for their misdeeds. He has always used the shield of the law and of lawyers in business, and thinks therefore that there is no law he cannot evade.
ecstatic
(32,737 posts)At first I assumed he somehow slipped through the cracks or that his "commit crimes in plain sight" strategy worked brilliantly for him... But now that you bring it up, it just doesn't seem possible. He was involved in way too much shit. In and out of court, etc.
ansible
(1,718 posts)A billionaire would NEVER be imprisoned here no matter how much of a piece of shit he is, while the chinese have no qualms executing one.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11399732/China-executes-Ferrari-loving-billionaire-gangster.html
BlueTsunami2018
(3,504 posts)Unless you blatantly kill someone or rob other rich people youre pretty much above the law.
There are separate justice systems.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)possibly the greatest con artist weve ever seen. It seems to be a family craft.