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ashling

(25,771 posts) Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:31 PM Dec 2018

"Collusion" is not a crime

It's a whole series of crimes

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"Collusion" is not a crime (Original Post) ashling Dec 2018 OP

Collusion is just a loose layman's word for the crime of conspiracy. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #1

Per a lawyer on TV it's a term covering: YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #3

But it doesn't have a specific meaning in the law. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #4

Brought to you by the wordsmiths of the BootinUp Dec 2018 #2

That's like saying "killing" is not a crime. No Vested Interest Dec 2018 #5

The term "collusion" was fed to the media which is generally stupid - in order to throw off Trump. harumph Dec 2018 #6

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,894 posts)

1. Collusion is just a loose layman's word for the crime of conspiracy.

Reply to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:32 PM

Dec 2018

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)

3. Per a lawyer on TV it's a term covering:

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:42 PM

Dec 2018

1). Conspiracy

2). Aiding and abetting

I think I heard it on MSNBC

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,894 posts)

4. But it doesn't have a specific meaning in the law.

Reply to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:44 PM

Dec 2018

There's no federal statute that defines "collusion" as a crime. You can't be charged with collusion, but you can be charged with aiding and abetting and conspiracy.

BootinUp

(47,200 posts)

2. Brought to you by the wordsmiths of the

Reply to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 02:36 PM

Dec 2018

Nothing to see here corporation.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)

5. That's like saying "killing" is not a crime.

Reply to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 03:09 PM

Dec 2018

Correct, "killing" is not a legal term, but "murder" is a legal term for a crime of killing.

(Yes, I know it's more complicated than that, but "collusion is not a crime" people like simple explanations).

harumph

(1,917 posts)

6. The term "collusion" was fed to the media which is generally stupid - in order to throw off Trump.

Reply to ashling (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:19 PM

Dec 2018

It's always been about conspiracy - which is a statutory crime under 18 US § 371

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

While what (we know) Trump has done does not "legally" qualify as treason as the term is defined under
US law, I think it does qualify as "conspiracy to defraud the United States" which
is a serious crime on it's own.

Depending on how things shake out - and more information is revealed - he might even be charged
with espionage - (but that's a stretch with what we know so far). That said, what about his fucking
unsecured cell phone? Was that on purpose? Did Trump intentionally invite security breaches?
Inquiring minds want to know.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

failure to protect classified information:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/46/503.59

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