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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party?
Bravo Lawrence O'Donnell.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)evilhime
(326 posts)Rocky2007
(168 posts)Betsy Ross
(3,147 posts)I have an account but don't know much about using it.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)Right click on the pic, Copy Image Location, and paste that on your FB wall. However, I think the second method is better.
Right click on the pic, Save Image As, save it to your computer. Go to your FB page, instead of updating your status, choose Photo, Upload Photo, Browse to the photo on your computer, comment if you like. The pic is larger on your FB wall using this method.
Betsy Ross
(3,147 posts)yourout
(7,534 posts)They would just as soon we didn't.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)that's alien to them
msongs
(67,453 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)They may hate us, but they know they need us too.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)dflprincess
(28,082 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)and blame Democrats for opposing progressive legislation such as this. That was from a time when there were liberals like Everett Dirksen in the Republican Party and conservatives among the Democrats, especially in the South. Now, you can't find the slightest trace of a liberal in the Republican Party. And the true dividing line is the one described by O'Donnell, between liberals and conservatives, who used to inhabit both parties.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Try to make this argument knowing full well their is a difference between party an idealogy; and that both parties have did a 180 degree turn around when it ones to idealogy. Back when the Republican party was established it had a very liberal idealogy, while the Dems where conservative. The founders of the Republican party would be Democrats today. In the 20 century republicans were liberal and so were Northern Dems, while the southern Dems were the conservative ones that left the Democratic party and hijacked the Republican part to what it is today
Cha
(297,733 posts)these days. They're leaving or getting voted out by braindead fox pawns.
gulliver
(13,197 posts)...to be accepted as successful leaders and idea creators without actually being either of those things. Instead, they are put-down artists who hide their real records and intentions. They attack government, because they do it so badly. I wonder what a list of Republican laws and programs that worked would look like. I'm thinking "lengthy" isn't a word that would be used to describe it.
Republicans (who, as I say, like to hide using terms like "conservative" and "Tea Partier" are a mix of political sour grapes and the wealthy. Otherwise good people in the Republican fold have huge political blinders on, and the wealthy and fanatical do their best to make sure the blinders are glued on.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)These MF'ers in the House of Representatives won't pass *ANY* bill that will create a single job because *Obama* might get credit for it.
avebury
(10,952 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,022 posts)budkin
(6,717 posts)alfredo
(60,077 posts)mazzarro
(3,450 posts)alfredo
(60,077 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)alfredo
(60,077 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)I'll have to try to dig it up. Whoa, it's not what I remembered:
"Henry, last fall, every time your boss got on the stump and said, "It's time for the rich to pay their fair share," I hid under a couch and changed my name. I left Gage Whitney making $400,000 a year, which means I paid twenty-seven times the national average in income tax. I paid my fair share, and the fair share of twenty-six other people. And I'm happy to because that's the only way it's gonna work, and it's in my best interest that everybody be able to go to schools and drive on roads, but I don't get twenty-seven votes on Election Day. The fire department doesn't come to my house twenty-seven times faster and the water doesn't come out of my faucet twenty-seven times hotter. The top one percent of wage earners in this country pay for twenty-two percent of this country. Let's not call them names while they're doing it, is all I'm saying."
Except there's a whole lot of fail there, because it's talking about absolute amounts of money and not percentages. And it assumes that the 1% are actually paying their taxes. And the 1% these days are doing their damnedest with superPACS to get more than 27 votes.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Cha
(297,733 posts)Breathe! But, Larry's is Better.
Initech
(100,105 posts)Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)I'm sure they like to drink clean water. They just don't like liberals telling them they can't pollute yours.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)They don't want municipalities regulating the water supply. They would rather private companies did and you know how well that will work out when the profit motive is introduced. Only those who can afford it will get clean water and the rest of us can drink out of a ditch. Look at what goes on in third world countries where the water has been privatized.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)If cleaning up the water means a business has to pay for it. This is news to you???
annabanana
(52,791 posts)They"re all FOR that kind of clean water
MsPithy
(809 posts)"In 2005 Congressat the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburtonexempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=safety-first-fracking-second
Initech
(100,105 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)and NEVER forget that.
Initech
(100,105 posts)And whatever bizarre, hateful god they worship.
Initech
(100,105 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Republicans lost me forever with their Southern Strategy and their obstruction on the Equal Rights Amendment for women -- forever. I know whose side they are on, and it ain't mine, no way, ain't mine.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)and people like little boots were the dictator. Because we all know things would run so much more smoothly. None of those pesky regulations protecting the plebes from our wealthy benefactors; none of those poor, starving people cluttering up the cities; none of those menial laborers demanding that they get paid real wages for their hard labor; and none of those elderly, disabled people to worry about-if they can't make it or have family who care, then I guess it's "good bye baby." As long as we make money-yes, predatory capitalism really works for them and their friends; unfortunately, usually at the detriment of everyone else.
and, these "new" repugs make the "old" repugs look down right liberal. That's how far down the rabbit hole they've gone.
elleng
(131,156 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)elleng
(131,156 posts)so he decided he had to run away. They've never forgiven Dems for after-Watergate.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)You're either impeached or you were not.
Nixon was not...
And at the end of the day, there was a also a host of moderate Republicans (many of whom Nixon had screwed in one fashion of another over the years) who turned on Nixon and joined the Democrats.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)to go to the White House and have a come to Jesus meeting w/ dick. That act was country first. I cannot think of one rethuglican today who would do such a thing.
elleng
(131,156 posts)he quit. Tapes would have forced impeachment. That's 'close.'
FACT IS, large number of repugs never forgave Dems for this, and THEY became the ones who birthed the so-called 'conservative' repugs, who are nothing of the sort, they are radicals. They went after Clinton, limpballs and beck followed, and t-buggers, and they continue against President Obama.
Unfortunately, moderate republicans are GONE from the scene.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)I think repukes were thrilled with the idea of getting even with us by impeaching Clinton. Too bad it didn't really work. Clinton is more popular than ever and their sham investigations did nothing for them.
Cha
(297,733 posts)speak at our convention and bush?...
lobodons
(1,290 posts)Liberals also won WWI and WWII, brought us out of the Great Depression and saved us from going into another.
bhikkhu
(10,724 posts)I don't ever really use the terms "liberal" and "conservative" as they've become meaningless and completely misunderstood lately, but the basic difference is between a view where we are all equal partners in society, or whether there is properly an elite group in power who drag along behind them the rest of us - some willing workers, the rest dead weight.
Jamaal510
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Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)Love it. Love it. Love it.
randr
(12,417 posts)just by one fact alone, we did not vote for Bush.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)I live in one of the reddest of red states and I can tell you that republicans do hate Liberals. They don't care about Social Security, medicare and medicaid. They are homophobes and racists. They are greedy. The are "Christians" in the worst sense of the word. They do not care about the environment. They hate unions. They have a strong dislike for Latinos. They reserve their strongest hate for President Obama. And they watch FOX News as if they can't live without it.
Cha
(297,733 posts)imagine it. Their ignorance is everywhere..just not on such a large scale.
Even they only knew how damn dumb fox has brainwashed 'em.
Karmasue
(95 posts)They also carry guns everywhere they go like some Wyatt Earp character, have more organized hate and anti-government groups than most other states, and although it is one of the richest states in the US, we have the highest number of children who go to bed hungry.
Texas.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)We have over 640,000 people with no health insurance in this state. Yet, the majority of those folks oppose the Affordable Healthcare Act and hate Pesident Obama. Also, most of them will really need Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, but are too ignorant to understand that by voting for Romney/Ryan, they are voting against their own best interests.
Oklahoma.
Karmasue
(95 posts)Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, who was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister in Nazi Germany, originates the idea of "das Grosse Luge" (The Big Lie):
"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success." It has been paraphrased often as "if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it".
Republicans have mastered that technique, and have literally purchased enough people and media to repeat those "big lies" over and over until they are believed.
It takes a special kind of immunity to avoid being snared by the mantra - it is called common sense.
Risen Demon
(199 posts)But most of them were head-nodders who either agreed out of apathy, ignorance, or fear.
Why? Because the real hateful ones were actually a minority. But we all know in society it's not the smartest voice that's heard; it's the loudest. And believe me, these knuckle-draggers were loud and often intimidating or charismatic in some way.
Karmasue
(95 posts)I know a number of otherwise very intelligent, educated people who are apathetic. They are simply not interested in finding out anything factual, anything that might contradict or interfere with...their church, their lifestyle, their prejudices, their friends' opinions, their single "conservative" issue, or any other justifications. Those people are the most frustrating.
It is easier to grasp what draws the haters, the ignorant, the cult-brained, and the just plain stupid. They are the Foxers, the Newters, the Rushers. The birthers. The parrots.
But the ones who have this ignorant-by-choice mentality are the ones who are the real enigma to me.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)that a greater percentage of Republicans voted FOR the civil rights act, than Democrats?
"The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 15296 (6139%)
Republican Party: 13834 (8020%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 4423 (6634%)
Republican Party: 276 (8218%) "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)"Liberal Democrat" and "Conservative Republican" didn't used to be the only two options.
Cha
(297,733 posts)Thank you, Curtland and THANK YOU, LAWRENCE O'DONNELL JR!
Sending this to my son and he'll facebook it.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
--John F. Kennedy
donquijoterocket
(488 posts)O'Donnell's list was not as inclusive as it could have been.Part of bringing us out of the Depression was the TVA,the REA,the CCC,
Two of these became the core of our national power grid and one the real basis for whatever sense of environmentalism exists in this country.
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)The current President is their enemy. Just about every vote is a no because falsely they blame the President.
Like John Wayne exclaimed in The Searchers. *DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU".
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)From The Debate episode, season seven of the West Wing
"The Debate" between Arnold Vinick and Matt Santos
Written by Lawrence O'Donnell
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)How can you hate Alan Alda!?
calimary
(81,513 posts)Believed fervently in the separation of church and state, and took quite a stand on it.
I'd watch his scenes and think - "man, what would I give to have Republicans on Capitol Hill, instead of republi-CONS. People you could actually do business with and reach a meeting of the minds - on SOMETHING. None of this on-going animus and unbending my-way-or-the-highway scorched-earth ideology.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)wrote the Constitution. The first ten amendments were not written by conservatives. Every amendment, except that one (and it was repealed), is a liberal step forward.
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)They had their day and f*cked it all up handsomely,they did it again under Reagan ans both Bushes and they will gladly do it again if we are not vigilant.
You cannot feed a poor man by giving away his supper to a rich man and then hope some scraps are left over.
Yet they would have you believe that this is perfectly reasonable policy.
It never worked in the past,does not work now and will never work,ever.
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dimbear
(6,271 posts)That was coincidentally the era when hate talk radio started up.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)WHAT HAS GOP DONE FOR
WORKERS?
CLINT C. GOLD
10/24/1999
Tulsa World
Not too long ago, my wife and I attended a TV football
party in south Tulsa. With a lopsided score, the
conversation turned to a livelier subject -- politics. The
crowd was, of course, top-heavy with Republicans. With each
point expressed their faces became more flushed, eyes
bulging a little more and veins popping in their foreheads
as they railed against the liberal programs.
Finally a lone, liberal voice asked: "Will you people
name me one bill your party ever passed to help the working
man of this country?" The question created much din and
clamor, and someone sputtered, "Well, what have the
Democrats done?"
The liberal responded with a few programs and was
interrupted by howling and disdain. He noted that he had
not promised they would like the programs and he asked to
complete his statement -- a difficult task to ask of
Republicans.
He spoke of Social Security; Medicare-Medicaid; Peace
Corps; unemployment insurance; welfare (for the poor and
corporate); civil rights; student grant and loan programs;
safety laws (OSHA); environmental laws; prevailing wage
laws; right to collective bargaining (which brought about
paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.);
workers' compensation; Marshall Plan; flood-disaster
insurance; School Lunch Program; women's rights.
He spoke of the Fair Labor Standards Act, which
established a minimum wage, instituted child labor laws,
and set up time-and-a-half pay for over a 40-hour week.
He mentioned FHA-HUD with its public housing, urban
renewal and 44 million residential homes (before WWII
almost 70 percent of our nation were renters; by the 1970s
this had been reversed). And farm-conservation
subsidies -- USDA programs, Farmers Home Administration (the
bankers didn't want to make rural loans), small
flood-control lakes (more than 3,000 in Oklahoma alone),
rural water districts, rural electricity (REA).
The GI Bill was passed, which the Republicans at the
time bitterly opposed. They were salivating over millions
of returning veterans to hire as cheap labor. More than 8 million have used college benefits, creating millions of
entrepreneurs; most of us had never dreamed of college. For
the unemployed GI, there was $20 a week for 52 weeks to
help get started (a lot of money in those days). The
Veterans Administration provided more than 2 million home
loans.
For the bankers at the football party, it was pointed
out that the liberals saved their industry with the
creation of FDIC and FSLIC, insuring their deposits, and
saved Wall Street with the establishment of the Securities
Exchange Commission.
The oil men came on bended knees to FDR at a time when
East Texas oil was 4 cents a barrel and begged him to save
their industry. He did; prorationing overturned the rule of
capture and the days of flush production were over.
Prorating has served this great industry (and nation)
well.
And the list went on and on, but of course this group
didn't let him get halfway through. He noted they were
weary, inattentive, so again he challenged them to offer up
any Republican legislation examples.
"I'm sure your party has authored one or two comparable
bills from time to time, but I can't think of any, and
apparently you can't either. What it boils down to is this:
the liberals dragged you into the 20th century scratching
and screaming with your heels in the mud, fighting anything
that's progressive, everything that's made this country
great. You Republicans have never understood that the
spending power of blue-collar workers, obtained through
Democrats and unions, is what really made this country
great. You really believe "The Good Life" was obtained from
your own endeavors. You cloak your greed in religion and
patriotism, railing against any form of tax, never
comprehending that these programs have benefitted all of us
and our country."
Well, I almost didn't make it out of the house. My wife
and I didn't even get to see the end of the football game.
If Reps. Steve Largent or J.C. Watts had been there,
perhaps politics would never have come up, only the game
plan ... pity.
Clint C. Gold is former mayor of Moore and a retired
savings and loan executive.
riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)What a good man Clint C Gold . Is he still alive?
Yooperman
(592 posts)YM
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Put 'In God We Trust' on the money and 'under God' in the pledge of allegiance during their brief control of congress during the Eisenhower administration.
Surely that is as impressive by itself as the long list of programs that you point out as 'liberal' accomplishments.
They put God in our lives every day. Whether we want it there or not.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)accomplishment they did.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Great image.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)This is a good list. We have allowed the far right to turn "liberal" into an epithet. It's damn past time to reclaim it, the way O'Donnell says in the last line of his statement.
I remember when there were Republicans that would be horrified at what their party has turned into.
When I was a Boy Scout in the '70s, an Indiana Republican State Senator, Richard Shank (sadly passed), counselled me on my Citizenship In The Nation merit badge.
I got to know Senator Shank quite well. He certainly knew his stuff about the workings of government, and he really grilled me before he'd sign off on my merit badge.
He was one of the kindest, most decent men I have ever met. He would not have fit in at all with the current slash-and-burn Limbaugh/Norquist/Beck/Faux Noise GOP.
I asked him why there have to be Democrats and Republicans opposing each other (hey, I was 11 years old!). Senator Shank said, "well, sometimes we don't agree but in the end we have to work things out for the good of the people." I told him I came from a mostly Democratic family. He just smiled and said "when you get old enough, vote for whom you like, but just make sure you vote."
Can you imagine statements like that coming from John Boehner, Dick Armey or Mitch McConnell?
BlueinOhio
(238 posts)I always do especially when they add bleeding heart. It comes from the sacred heart of Jesus painting. I say glad you recognize walking in the footsteps. They usually do not know what to say after that.
Warpy
(111,359 posts)Rich men chafed under it, thinking they weren't getting richer nearly fast enough. They were aided by wealthier old folks who saw their fixed pensions eroded by inflation.
Now we have an economy that doesn't work well for any of us.
Thanks a lot, conservatives.
Blue Owl
(50,514 posts)n/t
sendero
(28,552 posts)... and take it in the ass for the rich. It is as simple as that.
tnvoter
(257 posts)ananda
(28,877 posts)Actually include all people for the rights to life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness.
Reeps don't think many people deserve these rights.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)we exist.
Larry Ogg
(1,474 posts)Unfortunately there was a bipartisan agreement between both parties to get rid of all the liberals, and now the country is run by conservative democrats, and conservative extremist republicans, and America as most of us know it is on track to be flushed down the shitter of failed empires.
And because both parties have fucked everything up beyond repair, who are they going to blame?
They blame it on liberals!
Blanks
(4,835 posts)If you look at the graph (in the link below) you'll see that with a few exceptions the democrats controlled both the house and the senate since the 1930's (even though it doesn't go back that far).
The republicans were very used to being the opposition party. They were opposed to a growing government. This is how it should be; we should have a party that is opposed to programs that expand the government. That way there is adequate debate in congress to insure that any new government program has enough debate to
Be certain that it was necessary.
The republicans have been in and out of controll of the house and senate since 1981. It is the responsibility of the party in power to pass legislation. The roles are reversed and the republicans need to lose control of the house so that they can be the opposition party again. Government doesn't work when the opposition party is in power.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)the way of a lot of their nutty military adventures plus we elected a black president.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Pubes break it
nikto
(3,284 posts)...82% of fistfights* between Liberals and Conservatives.
(Although 69% of fights were started by Conservatives*).
*From The SBKTOLAB file
JohnnyRingo
(18,650 posts)It was when Tom Delay said "Our goal isn't to beat the Democrats in elections...it's to destroy the party".
That was around 1998.
FirstLight
(13,366 posts)I am also passing this one along... truer words have never been spoken about us
FailureToCommunicate
(14,023 posts)And of course, though many Republicans supported it, and a Republican President signed it, most Republicans were against it.
(Civil Rights) would 'cost businesses too much'
intheflow
(28,504 posts)And while I agree with O'Donnell that liberals were responsible for the list he's outlined here, to say Republicans objected to extending voting rights, ending segregation, passing civil rights, etc., is disingenuous. There were plenty of Southern Democrats who opposed these measures. It would be more appropriate to say that these measures were opposed by conservatives because parties morph over time. Lincoln - a Republican - ended slavery, after all.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)a BLACK man to the WHITE house.
BrainMann1
(460 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)We exist.
The same answer as the question, "Why do Republicans hate Obama?"
Because HE exists.
They simply don't need another reason.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The New Deal was the culmination of the longest and most insidious campaign of Communist infiltration and subversion ever. They let in the Irish and the Italians, and, you know.. them... and they brought with them their foreign socialist ideologies and kept on voting for FDR to give them free stuff. Free stuff taken from US!
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