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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think tRump would leave office in exchange for his kids
being allowed to avoid prison time? I was changing to Chris Hayes and Matthews posed this question. If his spawn were found guilty and were facing jail would he save them by stepping down or would be throw them under the bus?
I think he would let them go to jail.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Recommended.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)...ok im not cold hearted..99%...and lifetime probation.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)Yes, I believe he'd save his own kids - but for selfish reasons.
He doesn't have anyone else. He's seen how his "most trusted friends" have turned on him, so he's now paranoid about "friends". Ivanka, Don Jr. and Eric are the only people he still trusts and sees as being "on his side". He'd save them from prison just because he'd be completely alone if they were gone.
As for Melania, she's also sticking by him when everyone else is abandoning him. Having once been married to a verbally abusive narcissist, I can tell you that she has probably been showered with affection over the past few months, with declarations of undying devotion - just as my husband did when his career was crumbling, and he was desperate to keep me "in his corner" out of fear of being alone.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)GopherGal
(2,008 posts)A legacy of your kids in jail wouldn't sit well with a lot of egoists, and he does give hints now and again of seeing them (especially Princess Ivanka) as extensions of himself, which might overcome his sociopathic inability to be concerned for anyone other than himself.
But he also shows a certain contempt (perhaps a sour-grape-flavored contempt) for reputation. He revels in the "they despise me, but continue to associate with me anyway" kind of power. So it's hard to know if he really concerns himself with being remembered as "the guy so corrupt he got his 3 eldest kids sent to prison"
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)Maybe.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Just asking before getting into the negotiations.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)That could make a difference I suppose.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)If they are only facing a few months to a year, they can take it. Ivana/Mel might not be too pleased, though! (I say Mel because she relies on at least Ivanka to occupy him and keep him away.)
pwb
(11,276 posts)Not sure about Dip shit.???
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)Which is to say there is no deal for him to make. He will resign when his resignation will otherwise be forced. Or he will be forced out. I think the republican old guard pretty much looked at that way since the get go, you know, untill the wheels fall off the wagon.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Would he try to include them in a deal to get his resignation or pardon them on his way out the door? Certainly
I still feel if they lean on Eric and Don Jr, at least one of them is likely to cut a deal. With money of their own to enjoy, I think they're what their father describes as "weak".
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)blogslut
(38,002 posts)They all have to know, deep down, they are expendable in his eyes.
Takket
(21,577 posts)he'll never resign because the very concept he could ever be held responsible for something is uncomprehendable to him. and if his kids were ever arrested he'd just be tweeting about witch hunts because its easier to blame others for the problems he makes for himself and it gives him an excuse not to do anything about it, including spending his precious money.
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)Nyet.
erronis
(15,303 posts)Oh, wait.
He already did. And putine will give him (and us) a good one.
Thanks, dimwits and repuglicons. Screw you.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... I think its unlikely a prosecutor proposes such a deal. If they have the goods on the kids, they will be inclined to prosecute or flip them. Why offer to drop charges if he resigns?
What prosecutor has the authority to do that? Meuller certainly doesnt. Is he suggesting that Dems in congress can set up such a deal? Sure. That would go over well. Would the republicans be the ones to fix it? So how does that go? They have control over the Sp Cnsl? Really?
Mathews is an idiot more often than not these days.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... I dont recall his kids being in the crosshairs of an investigation, and him resigning to get it dropped. I could be wrong.
Of course trump could negotiate a resignation to save his own ass. He could plead to something, and then resign - As Agnew did - with the condition that he go away.
I guess he could try to negotiate a pass for his kids. I think Flynn made that a part of his cooperation deal.
But I still dont think its likely. It would feed the narrative that its all a witch hunt to get him out of office. Why would a prosecutor agree to that?
enid602
(8,620 posts)Spiro resigned in '73 because it was found he'd under reported his '67 taxable income by a whopping $29000!!!!! I don't think tRump would even bother bending over to pick up such a measly sum. How sophisticated we've become.
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)The state-level charges could come into play here. Sounds like State of NY has some leverage over the kids. If so, the NY State AG might have to be party to any deal that clears the kids of the state charges.
But that's just the state-level "pardon-proof" end of the case.
If you ignore the state end and just focus on the federal charges, I imagine he'd just be dealing with his own Justice Department. And in this case, Dirty Donnie has the lever of potentially pardoning his kids. Does pardoning his kids carry a political risk of being the step too far that triggers impeachment even in the lapdog Senate? And then do the House and Senate leadership become parties to the deal? I have no idea.
Is a federal-only deal for himself and his kids sufficiently preferable over pardoning the kids and brazening out impeachment proceedings? If not, then the deal needs to be sweetened by bringing in State of NY.
Hayduke Bomgarte
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UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)I don't think people are understanding the extent to which he's a sociopath. He cannot, will not EVER accept he is wrong. He cannot, will not EVER accept he could "lose."
It is not within his sociopathic makeup to ever, ever accept he will never be found innocent and will not end up the hero. He cannot accept a deal of any kind that has the least bit of hint of him having to compromise/give in on anything.
Trump operates from a positional or distributive negotiation style. If the other party gets anything, then he's "lost" the game. He must end-up with more to be victorious.
That cannot happen with criminal law deal. He cannot "win" if he has to plea or give up anything. He is like the general played by Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. Keep that personality in mind.
Irishxs
(622 posts)Ivanka is going to stick by Daddy.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)The empressof all
(29,098 posts)Whether that will trickle down to the embarrassment from his children being convicted or not I'm not sure. Honestly I don't know how much his loyalty extends to them. He parades Ivanka around because she is beautiful and her "looks" make him look good by extension. Really how often to you hear him bragging about the others. Personally I still believe he will resign due to early stage dementia diagnosis. That will allow him to continue to tweet his crazy thoughts with impunity and still play golf.
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)I'd say no. Hell, he's already thrown Jr. under the bus once, regarding the meeting with the Russians. And he has no loyalty to Eric at all.
Now, if we're talking the Ice Princess (aka Kremlin Barbie), I'd say 50-50. Steve Bannon once called her out as a liar in front of trmpie and he looked at her and said, "This is D.C. It's a tough town." But I think she and Jared are a package deal. So maybe, maybe not. All depends on how much time we're talking about.
I also do not think he would take into consideration the fact that they all have little children. Jr. has five, Jarvanka have three, and Eric has at least one. These are his grandchildren. But I'm not sure he'd think about the fact that he was tossing their parents in the latrine.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)catrose
(5,068 posts)ecstatic
(32,711 posts)He leaves when we tell him to fucking leave! Absolutely no deals or bargaining should be made based on something he'll have to do anyway, especially when his crimes are exposed!