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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhich loss made you feel the worst? Gillum, O'Rourke, or Abrams?
For me, it was Stacy Abrams because of the incredible overt cheating that brought her down.
O'Rourke lost in Texas.
Gillum lost to a slime ball but, Florida.
Abrams actually WON were it not for the overt cheating and vote stealing on the part of a criminal by the name of Brian Kemp.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)She was the victim of blatant thievery and voter suppression.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)She's determined to make voting in GA a more equitable process. I truly admire her. Whatever she decides to do in the future, I'll be here for it! She is, hands down, my favorite politician at this moment.
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)Abrams is an amazing woman. I hope she runs again.
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)912gdm
(959 posts)I grew up in Florida
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)The others may have been legitimate if disappointing outcomes (though given Florida's history of cheating, we may never know for sure)
skylucy
(3,739 posts)the polls and the pundits. O'Rourke and Abrams were such impressive candidates too, but, you know...Texas and Georgia.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)her. That lady could be President one day.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)She struck me as someone who will go far, which of course made her "loss" that much more dissapointing.
Honestly, I knew O'Rouke was a long shot, but his campaign was impressive.
babylonsister
(171,070 posts)because I think he was robbed. And I live here.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:57 AM - Edit history (1)
What I love about her is that she is courageous, honest, and never condescending. She has a lovely smile and manners but she can spit fire when defending the rights of the people.
It's a special quality and I don't think that she "just happens to be a black woman" who possesses these traits.
If she hadn't had all the experiences in life that she has had she would not as much gravitas as she does.
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)because I'm in Florida... and of the 3 races, I thought Gillum had the best chances of winning with Florida being considered a purple state and other 2 being considered solidly red and in the republican column.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)At least until we take over the state and make elections honest. Mailing a ballot in Florida from a heavily democratic district is just inviting being ratfucked.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Now that we know how the FBI interfered by withholding the charges to those culpable, it's even more bitter.
OrlandoDem2
(2,065 posts)The attacks go on unabated.
Dont teach here until the political climate changes.
mcar
(42,334 posts)25 Years in FL. He can retire after this year. It's bad now but will only get worse. I'm so glad my kids are already through the system.
What boggles my mind is how many teachers regularly vote R. Talk about voting against your own interests!
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And just as they cost us the Senate in 2016, when a few senate candidates went down with Hillary, they cost us Nelson's Florida senate seat in 2018 when he went down with Gillum.
Geechie
(865 posts)the alleged scandal as soon as it ceased to serve their purpose. Conveniently, the real culprits in Tallahassee city government were indicted soon after the election:
[link:https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/fbi/2018/12/12/scott-maddox-indicted-paige-carter-smith-corruption-charges-fbi-investigation-city-hall/2294099002/|
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)Not so much her loss but cheating by kemp was insane, purging hunderds of throusands from voter registration rolls; unprecedented conflict of interest, etc. I hope hell pay for what he did one day. If the lawsuit helps improve election integrity in GA, Abrams will have excellent shot at senator seat. I am inspired by her intelligence and civility.
MariePinchon
(86 posts)All of those losses proved once again how far we are from becoming a true Democracy.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)because I SO wanted to see Cruz defeated.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)But his loss was not unexpected.
KT2000
(20,583 posts)she had it so together but she was running against a criminal.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)won if some idiots didn't allow that stupid ballot.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)aeromanKC
(3,324 posts)Beto won Nationwide love, Abrams will have her day in court, but Gillum just got screwed.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)And DeSatan is a real piece of shit.
The others have won national attention. I don't think Gillum's profile was raised that high and that's a shame.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)I never bought into the Beto hype because I never thought he had a chance. Didn't want to get my hopes up.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)The corruption was insane.
applegrove
(118,683 posts)such a good candidate for President and had promised not to run for President while he was senator. At least for the first term I thought it was. I wanted him to run for pres - right away. And set the mood for the democratic nomination race even if he doesn't win this time. But if he does win the nomination this time great! I think he has that much to teach. So i was probably more let down by Abrams losing as she was so cheated on by the republican canadidate for governor. All three are great. Lots of talent there.
at140
(6,110 posts)Because I can't stand the bombastic Cruz.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)hope each of them and more people decide to run in these areas. I'm not happy they lost their races but I'm trying to remain positive and focused on the goals of our progressive field.
leanforward
(1,076 posts)Her opponent is crooked. He's another guy that I'd like to see leave office with his head down.
Crooked and he did not recuse himself. Best thing for him is debarment.
Stargleamer
(1,989 posts)because of this: https://www.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/how-brian-kemp-turned-warning-election-system-vulnerability-against-democrats/iLOkpHK3ea39t8Eh4PCGxM/
The cheating was deliberate and reprehensible.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Both were inspiring and both had there win stolen. I admired them both and the change they could have brought to their states is heartbreaking with their loss.
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)I thought both Gillum and Abrams were cheated
Abrams was cheated more flagrantly so she was the one I was most outraged about.
I can't stand Cruz and really wanted O'Rourke to beat him.
catrose
(5,068 posts)But I'm crushed by Abrams--all the cheating out in plain sight--and Gillum too.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Because I thought they would be most likely to win.
O'Rourke came much closer then I expected - I wasn't really buying the hype and thought he might hit 45%.
dae
(3,396 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)There was so much overt voter supression that we really don't know who won.
Obviously I'm broken hearted about Beto, but he ran one hell of a race. He'll be back. If someone doesn't tap him for VP, maybe he'll challenge Cornyn in 2020.
Golden Raisin
(4,609 posts)Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)Because of the perversion of democracy
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)KKKemp used his power to purge and disenfranchise over 1 million voters in Georgia. And he got away with it. It really sucks. And on top of that, we had a runoff on 12/4/18 for Secretary of State... but I guess that one was either stolen or people didn't show up like last time. So another GOP criminal will be overseeing our elections in 2020.
Second place is Gillum because when you looked at the 2 guys on stage at the debates, Desantis looked unfit. Like a drug addict. He had no real plan for Florida and only won because he's white.
I took those two elections personally because going in to the election, they both had the lead. Then somehow it flipped, likely due to shenanigans. We always knew O'Rourke was an uphill battle.
cornball 24
(1,478 posts)Polybius
(15,428 posts)Gillum was up in every poll since since he got the nomination. O'Rourke I predicted would lose by 5 points and Abrams by 3. I was pretty close.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Lucy McBaths victory in a previously deep red district was huge and helped a bit. Abrams was a great candidate and hopefully will run again.
Gothmog
(145,320 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)hueymahl
(2,497 posts)But I live in Georgia.
Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)slimy smirk on his face with his too big hair doo. aaargh.
A split my hurt three ways.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)They were all the results I expected.
brer cat
(24,576 posts)But the good news is that they are all great Democrats and they will be around for a long time. One loss doesn't end a career.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)I think she would have won.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I didnt think the other two had much of a chance but Gillum seemed like he really had something going for him. He could probably challenge Rubio when that comes around and win now that there is no potential scandal looming.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)I'd probably feel differently if I lived in FL or GA.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Based on the pure odiousness of those they were facing.
Or the senate races. Taking the senate collectively, regardless of which specific dems won it, would have been a true upset. Of those, the specific upset I wanted was Texas. Beto is Beto, but I wanted the symbolism of the Texas win. It was a blue election. But a Democratic senator from Texas would have truly scared the Right, where what happened was more or less expected and arguably still within range of their being able to steal the next election.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)and if the left hadn't been ignoring talk radio.......
ARIZONA 3 Arizona St. 2, Arizona 1
FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
From republicanradio.org
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)Celerity
(43,408 posts)Nelson added in.
3 of the four were robbed, especially Stacey Abrams.
lostnfound
(16,180 posts)I like Abrams better and am heartsick about the continued disenfranchising of African Americans.
But Florida keeps stealing elections and 18 years of republican rule have destroyed integrity of state that I grew up in.
It had GOOD government in the 60s, 70s, 80s Reuben Askew, Lawton Chiles, Bob Graham and good laws protecting Everglades, honest transparent government.
I havent trusted the election machinery there since the negative 17,000 vote glitch in 2000.
Im sure the GOP stole the state for President Bush in 2004, too.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)....hacking, manipulating, and every form of election fraud. It's been that way since 2000.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)They were all bad in their own ways and I did half expect him not to win anyway, whether for real or with the help of TX Republican fuckery. At least O'Rourke helped get rid of Culberson in my district.
The overwhelming stink of voter suppression in the other races is awful.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)ancianita
(36,079 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)I was pulling for her to make history as the first black woman governor, but then her opponent used the powers of his office - that he refused to resign from as is proper - to cheat his way to "victory".
Of course, all of the losses you mentioned were painful. I will add Phil Bredesen to my list, as he was a good governor when I lived in Tennessee years ago and I really did not want that racist scumbag to win...but she did, because that state is still red as hell.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)He told me The Harpie would win. Tiny's visit there worked and internal polling showed visit that brought it home.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Not to mention I really like her.
Luciferous
(6,081 posts)is a close second because of the racism.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)Her "end of campaign" speech was so powerful. While being heartbroken over her loss, I'm excited at the what may lie in her future.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,749 posts)Because Texans had a chance to have a really decent senator for once and they turned it down to stay with Deplorable Ted
yellowdogintexas
(22,264 posts)and that race was such a driving force, and he is such a great guy
On a moral level, Abrams definitely
That whole thing is just despicable.
Then there is NC-9 ....
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)I think Gillum lost to cheating, as well. So did what's-his-name in the FL Senate race. I'm not so sure Beto wasn't robbed, too. But, yeah. The ratfucking Abrams got was blatant, and the fact that Kemp got away with it is beyond abhorrent.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)Because she won, but was cheated. Gillum would have won if ex-felons had their rights restored previously. O'rourke last because he did lose the race, but won the war. Dems won gained back a lot of ground at the State level
allgood33
(1,584 posts)The political scene in GA will be dealing with her for a very long time...until it turns blue.
DFW
(54,405 posts)Basically because Abrams had no chance when she was running against the very man who was in charge of overseeing the election. It was clear to me from the start that she would never take office, even if she got 60% of the vote. Beto had a real chance, I thought. Not just because it was a Texas election, but also because Cruz disgusts so many Texans. But there are still too many in Texas who just vote "R" whether it's a person or an armadillo. But Beto would have spoken out like Al Franken on the Senate floor, and THAT is something I miss, no matter what state the Senator is from.
LeftInTX
(25,372 posts)In my precinct there were a bunch of Cruz people. And I live in San Antonio. I can't imagine rural areas.
Cruz is repulsive to us, but not to them.
DFW
(54,405 posts)Well, for the fifteen days a year I'm actually in Dallas these days, anyway........
LeftInTX
(25,372 posts)went for Beto
The outlying areas not so much
A statewide Democrat has not won my precinct since I moved here in 1994. I live in the city limits.
The only Democrats that win this precinct are the ones that are either unopposed or opposed by Libertarians. Here are the totals for my state rep:
1126 (D) 533 (L) (under votes) 477
Here is an unopposed judge:
1221 (D) (under votes) 915
They would rather not vote than vote for a Democrat!!!
Here is Cruz vs Beto:
Cruz 1101 vs Beto 1009
VOX
(22,976 posts)Make no mistake, a governorship is a valuable asset during national elections, with a team in place, exceeding fundraising goals, campaigning, etc. A Democratic Florida could oversee (and correct) issues such as ballot design (a serious problem in FL), and also maintain oversight re the collection/tabulation of ballots.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...about him winning.
And because his opponent made slimy remarks against him and against AOC.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)I'm sad that any of them lost. Each was running against a slimeball who no sane person would vote for. However, Gillum was running in Florida, which has shown in the past that it can't run a fair election when there's a chance a Democrat might win. Abrams was running in a state with a Secretary of State who was actively trying to keep people from voting for her. O'Rourke was running in Texas, a state I had higher hopes for. Texas does have voter id laws IIRC, but its voting process didn't seem as corrupt as Florida's or Georgia's. O'Rourke's loss was due to his fellow Texans deciding that they were happy keeping that smirking waste of space in the US Senate.
O'Rourke's loss also affected me more directly. Who governs Georgia or Florida doesn't have much impact on me directly (until the rest of the country has to bail them out because of their gross incompetence). Having Cruz in the US Senate does affect me directly because he has a vote in who gets confirmed to cabinet and judicial positions.
LeftInTX
(25,372 posts)Indiana, ND, MO and FL
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
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NJCher
(35,685 posts)I so admire this woman.
She will be back, I am confident.
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)Because Florida is (supposed) to be a purple state yet they elected a far right SOB like DeSantis as well as Scott for the senate....Scott barely won his governor races in GOP wave years and pulled another rabbit out of the hat to beat Nelson....
It's extremely frustrating to see Florida keep electing these people...And, of yeah, Dump won there in 2016 as well...
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)I live in Broward County, FL. I was all in on this election. I truly thought this time was different; that we were going to win; that there was enough of us to drown them out.
This was crushing. I dont think I ever felt more defeated.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)I think by a 65-35 margin, to restore former felons voting rights....
But i bet an Acura to an apple that the incoming governor DeShithead tries to stall or obstruct this.....Florida where most elections are 51-49%, this ballot measure passed with such a sweeping margin that it shows that many Republican voters supported this to...
thegoose
(3,115 posts)I'm in San Antonio and it was a heartbreaker to not send Grandpa Munster packing. But we have a wonderful mayor, Ron Nirenberg, who I've met, and we kicked that ridiculous religious freakazoid DINO Ivy Taylor to the curb.
If only San Antonio and Austin had been allowed to vote in the Texas senate race, we'd have O'Rourke today.