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populistdriven

(5,644 posts) Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:10 AM Dec 2018

Trump Defender Alan Dershowitz Argues That Lying To The FBI Isn't A Crime

Al needs to retire from public life or go work for the internet research agency since he is already a shill for Putin's thugs.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-defender-alan-dershowitz-argues-that-lying-to-fbi-isnt-a-crime_us_5c17d292e4b0b1ea387f2bbc

“Flynn did not commit a crime by lying,” Dershowitz said during a Fox News interview Monday. “The lie has to be material to the investigation. And if the FBI already knew the answer to the question and only asked him the question in order to give him an opportunity to lie, his answer, even if false, was not material to the investigation.”

“Lying to the FBI is not a crime,” Dershowitz added.

It should be noted that lying to the FBI is indeed a crime when the falsehood in question is material to an investigation, and prosecutors have determined that Flynn’s statements were.

“I think the judge has the authority to throw out the plea if he believes that the plea was not to a crime, and I think he should find, as a matter of law, that when you tell an untruth to the FBI about a matter that they already know the truth about, they already know the answer, when the only purpose of the question is to get you to lie, that that’s not a crime.”

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Trump Defender Alan Dershowitz Argues That Lying To The FBI Isn't A Crime (Original Post) populistdriven Dec 2018 OP

He must have consulted Rudy Giuliani? kentuck Dec 2018 #1

Ouch, that stings! populistdriven Dec 2018 #2

He should be disbarred for saying that Takket Dec 2018 #3

His defense: Lying on Fox isn't equivalent to lying on reputable media populistdriven Dec 2018 #5

+1 ck4829 Dec 2018 #7

I beleive that somebody has something on him. RDANGELO Dec 2018 #4

Maybe Putin has more than the flight logs of travel populistdriven Dec 2018 #6

I think the second part of the Epstein deal is a house of cards. Vinca Dec 2018 #11

I think you have closed the loop of criminality. populistdriven Dec 2018 #13

Hey, Dershowitz! PJMcK Dec 2018 #8

Behaving like his survival is at stake so he doesn't care about credibility populistdriven Dec 2018 #14

Gordon Chavez, a former probation officer, was also guilty of the same thing in the same context ck4829 Dec 2018 #9

Alan doesn't care about the little people populistdriven Dec 2018 #15

"I did not have sex with that woman" was perjurous and immaterial Mr. Ected Dec 2018 #10

"I did have sex with that woman" would have also been immaterial populistdriven Dec 2018 #16

Derpowitz Fullduplexxx Dec 2018 #12

Traitors. One and All. spanone Dec 2018 #17

Dersshowitz is wrong on the law Gothmog Dec 2018 #20

Why did Martha Stewart go to jail? nt DURHAM D Dec 2018 #18

Legal experts denounce Alan Dershowitz's warped and desperate defenses of Team Trump Gothmog Dec 2018 #19

Thank you! Ken White succinctly explained Al's lie. populistdriven Dec 2018 #24

So if you consistently lie it's not illegal? Nevilledog Dec 2018 #21

Dershowitz ruthlessly mocked after his pro-Flynn talking points get destroyed at sentencing hearing Gothmog Dec 2018 #22

Dershowitz ruthlessly mocked after his pro-Flynn talking points get destroyed at sentencing hearing Gothmog Dec 2018 #23

Dersh loves going live populistdriven Dec 2018 #25

What? lying is wrong?? Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #26

kentuck

(111,102 posts)

1. He must have consulted Rudy Giuliani?

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:11 AM

Dec 2018

There are no crimes....there are only alternative truths.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

2. Ouch, that stings!

Reply to kentuck (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:16 AM

Dec 2018

Al has better hair.

Takket

(21,575 posts)

3. He should be disbarred for saying that

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:21 AM

Dec 2018

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

5. His defense: Lying on Fox isn't equivalent to lying on reputable media

Reply to Takket (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:28 AM

Dec 2018

Why?

Everyone knows fecal matter comes out of a dog's rectum so why be surprised when it does?

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

7. +1

Reply to Takket (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:46 AM

Dec 2018

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)

4. I beleive that somebody has something on him.

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:22 AM

Dec 2018

He is smarter than this.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

6. Maybe Putin has more than the flight logs of travel

Reply to RDANGELO (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:31 AM

Dec 2018

Alan Dershowitz took on pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's private jet with anonymous women

Vinca

(50,278 posts)

11. I think the second part of the Epstein deal is a house of cards.

Reply to populistdriven (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:05 AM

Dec 2018

Why would that prosecutor have gotten a cabinet position in the Trump administration? Why is Dershowitz suddenly Trump's biggest fan? I hope the judge allows that case to be opened back up for resentencing.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

13. I think you have closed the loop of criminality.

Reply to Vinca (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:17 AM

Dec 2018

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)

8. Hey, Dershowitz!

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:51 AM

Dec 2018

Try making that argument in front of a Federal judge. Let's see how far it gets you.

Jackass.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

14. Behaving like his survival is at stake so he doesn't care about credibility

Reply to PJMcK (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:18 AM

Dec 2018

ck4829

(35,077 posts)

9. Gordon Chavez, a former probation officer, was also guilty of the same thing in the same context

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:53 AM

Dec 2018

Gordon Chavez, 36, a former probation officer with the New Mexico Corrections Department’s Division of Probation and Parole, was sentenced today to 18 months in federal prison followed by three years of supervised release on charges related to the sexual assault of a probationer whom he supervised. Chavez previously pled guilty to one count of violating the victim’s right to bodily integrity when he touched her breasts against her will. Chavez also pled guilty to one count of making material false statements to the FBI when he denied both touching the breasts of females whom he supervised and asking for naked photos of them.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/pr/former-state-probation-officer-sentenced-prison-sexually-assaulting-woman-under-his

There was a recording of him talking about his sexual assaults, the FBI had it. He denied it. He was still charged with lying to the FBI. And he went to prison over it along with his sexual assaults.

Where was Alan Dershowitz then?

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

15. Alan doesn't care about the little people

Reply to ck4829 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:21 AM

Dec 2018

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)

10. "I did not have sex with that woman" was perjurous and immaterial

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:56 AM

Dec 2018

Next.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

16. "I did have sex with that woman" would have also been immaterial

Reply to Mr. Ected (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:24 AM

Dec 2018

Fullduplexxx

(7,864 posts)

12. Derpowitz

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:11 AM

Dec 2018

spanone

(135,844 posts)

17. Traitors. One and All.

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:15 AM

Dec 2018

Gothmog

(145,312 posts)

20. Dersshowitz is wrong on the law

Reply to spanone (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:05 AM

Dec 2018

Link to tweet

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)

18. Why did Martha Stewart go to jail? nt

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:46 AM

Dec 2018

Gothmog

(145,312 posts)

19. Legal experts denounce Alan Dershowitz's warped and desperate defenses of Team Trump

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:03 AM

Dec 2018

This is established law https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/legal-experts-denounce-alan-dershowitzs-warped-desperate-defenses-team-trump/

But other legal experts quickly pointed out that Dershowitz was distorting the facts and misleading the public.

“Here’s [Dershowitz] making an argument about how the law SHOULD be, but concealing it as an argument about what the law IS,” said attorney Ken White, referring to the Fox News interview.

His point was that Dershowitz’s is arguing a point as if it weren’t already settled law. Dershowitz appears to believe that lying to the FBI about facts the FBI already knows should not be prosecutable. White even acknowledged that he agreed with this opinion, but pointed out that the courts have consistently ruled against this view. By presenting his opinion as if it were the law, White argued, Dershowitz was lying.

“Like many of Dershowitz’s recent statements, this appears to be a deliberate effort to mislead the public,” noted Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. “Dershowitz often misleads the public through sleight of hand like this. His deceptive phrases are so carefully worded that I’m convinced he is deliberately deceiving people.”

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

24. Thank you! Ken White succinctly explained Al's lie.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:44 PM

Dec 2018

Nevilledog

(51,120 posts)

21. So if you consistently lie it's not illegal?

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:13 AM

Dec 2018

What an idiot.

Gothmog

(145,312 posts)

22. Dershowitz ruthlessly mocked after his pro-Flynn talking points get destroyed at sentencing hearing

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:48 PM

Dec 2018

Link to tweet

Gothmog

(145,312 posts)

23. Dershowitz ruthlessly mocked after his pro-Flynn talking points get destroyed at sentencing hearing

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:54 PM

Dec 2018

Link to tweet

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)

25. Dersh loves going live

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:47 PM

Dec 2018

That video

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)

26. What? lying is wrong??

Reply to populistdriven (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:57 PM

Dec 2018

I thought these guys were the law and order folks? There's ENTIRE networks of the Nancy Grace types NCIS that is INSUFFERABLE after about a half-hour....that folks like this eat UP. But, just seem to let the shows basics escape them for convenience. You know, the law and order RULES etc.
America post-trump is a lie-fest for all the folks who do it and know they should'nt. Trump made lying ok in America....
but stand for the GD anthem you guys. And, go to church. Ahem.

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