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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:53 AM Dec 2018

BREAKING NEWS: REPUBLICANS "PLEADED WITH DEMOCRATS NOT TO INVESTIGATE TRUMP"

MSNBC

Comey presses Republicans to 'stand up and speak the truth'
By Steve Benen
12/18/18 10:07AM

Since Democratic gains in the midterm elections last month, Republicans have generally struggled to come up with a clear and consistent message about the results and the road ahead. Most GOP leaders -- in Congress and in the White House -- have, however, pushed one line with great vigor: they've pleaded with Democrats not to investigate Donald Trump.

Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) joined the partisan chorus on "Meet the Press" the other day, telling NBC News' Chuck Todd, "My advice [to the incoming Democratic House majority] would be: legislate, don't investigate."

Part of the problem with the pitch is that there's no reason to see this as an either/or proposition, since the House majority can legislate and conduct oversight at the same time. The other angle of note is the degree to which the GOP appeal is breathtakingly hypocritical.

Almost exactly 24 hours after Roy Blunt pressed House Dems not to investigate the Republican White House, the outgoing GOP majority held another hearing with former FBI Director James Comey, peppering him with questions about Hillary Clinton's emails. "How does that make any sense at all?" Comey asked. http://www.msnbc.com/maddowblog


HERE ARE SOME OTHER "INCONVENIENT TRUTHS:"

The prosecution of John Edwards, in 2008, verses payments from Trump to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. The question is whether prosecutors have more convincing evidence to present to a jury about Trump than they did in the case of Edwards. Legal experts pointed to several major differences.

THE NEW YORK TIMES
‘A Simple Private Transaction’: Trump Lays Out a Defense in a Campaign-Finance Case
By Charlie Savage
Dec. 10, 2018

WASHINGTON — President Trump defended himself on Monday against prosecutors’ accusation that he directed illegal payments ahead of the 2016 election to two women to stay silent about alleged extramarital affairs with him, insisting that the payments were “a simple private transaction” — not election-related spending subject to campaign-finance laws.

Mr. Trump’s plea of ignorance has flaws, said Richard L. Hasen, a professor of election law at the University of California, Irvine. While the Obama and McCain campaigns were fined for failing to swiftly report certain expenditures, he said, they had filed corrected reports about the mistakes to federal elections officials and then paid the fines, rather than trying to hide the payments for more than a year. Mr. Trump “looks pretty guilty from what we see so far, but whether he would actually face any liability is a huge question,” Mr. Hasen said.

Mr. Trump directed Mr. Cohen to arrange payments for Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model, and Stormy Daniels, a pornographic film actress, to buy their silence about alleged affairs with him “with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election,” prosecutors wrote.

For one thing, one of the payments to Mr. Edwards’s mistress took place as he was ending his candidacy, which further muddied how to interpret his motivation. By contrast, the payments to Ms. McDougal and Ms. Daniels came just ahead of the election. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/us/politics/trump-campaign-finance-crimes-defense.html?module=inline


While the Obama and McCain campaigns were fined for failing to swiftly report certain expenditures, they both filed corrected reports about the mistakes and then paid the fines, rather than trying to hide the payments for more than a year.
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BREAKING NEWS: REPUBLICANS "PLEADED WITH DEMOCRATS NOT TO INVESTIGATE TRUMP" (Original Post) Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 OP
Why do republicans fear & hate truth? Achilleaze Dec 2018 #1
The truth hurts. bitterross Dec 2018 #2
Why wait to "enjoy" inconvenient truths? READ TODAY'S New York Times LINKS: Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #11
HERE IS A BLUE-WAVE TRUTH! I copy and paste everyone who "rec" this and my other O.Ps... Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #25
redumbliCONS don't want to face the reality of drumpf who they have supported! democratisphere Dec 2018 #5
How do you know a ship is sinking? All the "rats" leave Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #14
because it's not just TrumPutin Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #7
Trump is guilty of much more than Russian collusion... Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #23
Hundreds of millions of reasons. (n/t) FreepFryer Dec 2018 #8
Other people also "fear the truth"... Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #24
Hypocricy is their fuel BSdetect Dec 2018 #3
Im sure we will be MFM008 Dec 2018 #4
I would give them a list of demands Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #6
Sounds like a CYA exercise. grumpyduck Dec 2018 #9
Gee Whiz Roy Blunt, Tell me again how your party used the legislate, don't investigate theory MagickMuffin Dec 2018 #10
I think Teflon Don would commit perjury in less time... Jeffersons Ghost Dec 2018 #18
Hey Repukes -- y'all go fuck y'all... Blue Owl Dec 2018 #12
Yes, my words exactly...and what a story.."legislate, don't investigate." Stuart G Dec 2018 #20
Too many of them must be up to their necks in corruption eleny Dec 2018 #13
In Other Words, The Opposite. . . ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #15
Even if all Democrats do is legislate Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #16
Aye, there's the rub gratuitous Dec 2018 #19
Exactly! Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #21
I'm betting the Russian money got to a LOT of Repubs in Congress via the NRA A HERETIC I AM Dec 2018 #17
Please let McConnell have some too! Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #22
The DEMs should counter with this: The president, V-P, and members of congress who NCjack Dec 2018 #26

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. Why do republicans fear & hate truth?
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:56 AM
Dec 2018

What evil crap are the republicans hiding that they are so afraid of the light of truth? That's some devilish shit going down when you are so frigging afraid of facing reality,

Despite republican efforts to raise him up as their most-worshipped diety, the casino-hustling republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is a filthy liar and cheat. That's documented fact. Real fact. To worship that falsity, as republicans have done and are doing, is to sell your soul (and American democracy) for a stinking Mess of Treasonous Caviar.

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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
2. The truth hurts.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:58 AM
Dec 2018

And when it comes to Trump the truth is going to be very, very painful. I'm going to enjoy this a lot.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
11. Why wait to "enjoy" inconvenient truths? READ TODAY'S New York Times LINKS:
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:55 PM
Dec 2018
NEW YORK TIMES: "What to expect in 2019"

At the start of 2018, the biggest threat to the Trump presidency was an investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia. As the year draws to a close, it’s his hush payments to women. We look at what’s behind that change — and how the threat may change again next year.

On today’s episode:

Mark Mazzetti, a Washington investigative correspondent for The New York Times.

Michael S. Schmidt, who covers national security and federal investigations for The Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/podcasts/the-daily/trump-mueller-cohen-russia-investigation.html

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
25. HERE IS A BLUE-WAVE TRUTH! I copy and paste everyone who "rec" this and my other O.Ps...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:47 PM
Dec 2018

And, I will recommend your anti-Teflon Don Opening Posts and attack "freepers" who attack your replies, ideas, religious beliefs and other rights guaranteed to you by the U.S. Constitution. My attacks will be acceptable, within the rules of D.U. and subtle, in most cases. Does anyone think that Teflon Don hired hackers to alter votes cast at electronic (Diebold) paperless, voting machines or bribed the Electoral College, in the USA to become pResident and then allowed Russia to take the blame?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
5. redumbliCONS don't want to face the reality of drumpf who they have supported!
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:59 AM
Dec 2018

Supporting drumpf makes them all guilty as hell!

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
23. Trump is guilty of much more than Russian collusion...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:14 PM
Dec 2018

It would not surprise me to learn that Teflon Don paid hackers to rig the election. I think the FBI should investigate the Electoral College.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
24. Other people also "fear the truth"...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:21 PM
Dec 2018

especially as "the truth" about Climate Change, which only an idiot - like Teflon Don - would deny exists.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
6. I would give them a list of demands
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:02 PM
Dec 2018

1. Ask Cavanaugh to resign and fill with Garland
2. No more judges get confirmed until 2020
3. Permanent protection of dreamers
4. No wall
5. Restore ACA mandate

grumpyduck

(6,240 posts)
9. Sounds like a CYA exercise.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:07 PM
Dec 2018

The "pleading" makes perfect sense to me. They probably feel that if the investigation turns up "bad" things, it'll reflect on the people who supported the president. IOW, it'll make them look bad -- not something a person who depends on getting elected wants.

OTOH, if they weren't worried about what might turn up, they probably wouldn't be "pleading."

[Edit] Holy smokes... seven replies in the time it took me to write this!

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
10. Gee Whiz Roy Blunt, Tell me again how your party used the legislate, don't investigate theory
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 12:07 PM
Dec 2018

Oh yeah, that never happened. Now all of a sudden you don't have any investigations.

Too f'ing bad. What your party has done NEEDS to be investigated. Too f'ing bad if your party doesn't want it. It IS going to happen.

I'd like to see the pResident sit at hearings for over 12 hrs. I don't think he would have the stamina, especially with his low energy.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
18. I think Teflon Don would commit perjury in less time...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:18 PM
Dec 2018

If he had to testify that long, Teflon Don would threaten the jury and probably commit adultery, if possible.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
16. Even if all Democrats do is legislate
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:27 PM
Dec 2018

Republicans won't let them do anything with that either, so they can just stuff their feigned "concern" over investigation. They had zero problems with their own endless (and utterly fruitless) investigations of Obama and the Clintons. What they're really afraid of IMHO is that the Democrats will make them look like they haven't been doing their job in terms of investigating Trump (which of course they have NOT been doing).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. Aye, there's the rub
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:23 PM
Dec 2018

Whatever bills Democrats pass out of the House, the Senate will stonewall. It's unclear what Blunt is talking about when he says Democrats should legislate, because he and his colleagues aren't going to experience a sudden attack of responsibility and start doing their jobs.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
17. I'm betting the Russian money got to a LOT of Repubs in Congress via the NRA
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

I have a feeling that a shitload of them have NRA money in their coffers that came from Russia and they are terrified it will be discovered.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
26. The DEMs should counter with this: The president, V-P, and members of congress who
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:03 PM
Dec 2018

took money from foreign governments must resign and will be given amnesty for the 2016 election. All staying are subject to investigation and prosecution.

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