...and it's naive to believe that this won't be exploited against black voters.

What should be emphasized are myriad factors deliberately suppressing votes in minority-majority districts.

But we aren't being blamed for Hillary's win that the Russians rigged.

It's just time to start telling the truth

...the rest of what you wrote is just naive.

Dividing is dividing. Polarization is a two-way street.

...dumbed-down premise.

I actually have no idea what you're getting at.

They're who're both behind and the main perpetrators of "blaming" black people. Suggest we leave their faggots in the fire instead of grabbing and spreading them around.

...keeping black voters from the polls.

The post this DUer was likely responding to was pointing out those factors in what I see is a necessary defense of my community's voters. No one is making a campaign out of it, but it's not unreasonable to strive to put factors like redistricting and voter purges and closed polling locations, for instance, in front of any suggestion black voters were duped by the Russians. Harping on it like it's proven fact that Russians influenced black votes in some significant measure is an unconscionable effort, imo.

exactly that, sowing lies to breed resentment and disillusionment among many groups, very much including POC and Sanders supporters, and is doing the exact same thing now.

And of course the Republicans and the people funding them are also.

But I didn't mean you alone, sorry that it sounded that way. Rather that EVERYONE should be aware of what's happening so we can say a big NO! to being used as fools to defeat ourselves.

For their ability to detect bullshit.

If you've gone to the inner city voting stations, you will see it each and every cycle: notes that say "if you owe back child support and try to vote, you will be arrested on this site" (I'm paraphrasing, but I have removed HUNDREDS of them in my day) Some say parking tickets or traffic tickets, but all imply the same thing: "if you exercise your right, you will be punished".

Saying we're being blamed for the Russian intervention and WAR perpetrated against an American public that pays to be, and expects to be protected from this shit is just deflection and divisiveness.

And it's wrong.

edit: typo

...than Russian propaganda is absolutely correct.

Asserting that Russian propaganda did not have a significant effect on black votes isn't 'wrong,' it's a necessary refocus on myriad efforts to suppress the black vote which had nothing at all to do with Russia.

It takes nothing at all away from the effort to hold Russia accountable to blame redistricting, and purging of voter rolls, for instance, for any decrease in black votes.

What you're actually doing here is trying to preclude, or deflect from that very correct focus on factors other than Russian interference. There currently is no reliable measure of the effect of Russian posts on black voters.

There is, however, reams of material on the effect of other more deliberate, targeted factors which actively worked here in the U.S. to keep black voters from the polls.

and I dare say, you're the one deflecting here. You are normalizing this bullshit behavior by marginalizing an unprecedented attack on our nation at its core.

YES, there are signs posted in urban, not just black, but a lower socio-economic class (read blue collar suburbs and inner city communities) that have signs placed up each year. I have torn down hundreds myself.

But that does not detract from the FACT that Russians targeted our community. Saying "there's no reliable measure of the effect of posts on black voters" in an UNPRECEDENTED attack is straight up gaslighting. IOW, since "there's no reliable measure (in YOUR estimation, btw) of the effect..." that effect COULD have been catastrophic.

*You* certainly are not the arbiter of such a thing, and trying to insert this sort of goal post only helps the other side.

Maybe I've read this wrong, but somehow I don't think I have.

because there is nothing in my post (the truth) that excludes ANYTHING yjat I've posted here. Nothing at all. But you wish to imply something untoward....funny that.

My neighborhood is a red area of a blue state.

And I am indeed, fluent in redneck.

That's how I can spot this shit a mile coming.

It's weird how you would try to twist that given our current conversation. And it absolutely proves my point.

You're welcome

...that doesn't sound like my community.

and I dare say, you're the one deflecting here. You are normalizing this bullshit behavior by marginalizing an unprecedented attack on our nation at its core.

YES, there are signs posted in urban, not just black, but a lower socio-economic class (read blue collar suburbs and inner city communities) that have signs placed up each year. I have torn down hundreds myself.

But that does not detract from the FACT that Russians targeted our community. Saying "there's no reliable measure of the effect of posts on black voters" in an UNPRECEDENTED attack is straight up gaslighting. IOW, since "there's no reliable measure (in YOUR estimation, btw) of the effect..." that effect COULD have been catastrophic.

*You* certainly are not the arbiter of such a thing, and trying to insert this sort of goal post only helps the other side.

Maybe I've read this wrong, but somehow I don't think I have.

Let's ask them to TEACH US.

Anyone who singles out Black voters for the 2016 result is either racist or badly underinformed (maybe both). There were more than enough shenanigans going on in a lot of different arenas. Singling out one among the multitude is just plain silly.

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idiot. And, look at him now that's it's blown up in his nasty face.

Baltimike!