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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:23 PM Dec 2018

I saw something yesterday that really bothered me.

We had to buy a car to replace mine that had over 150000 miles and was not running very well. We went to a local Oklahoma dealer and had a great experience. The young man who helped with the financing was a young Muslim man. We loved him, he was wonderful. The couple waiting after us started to go in and I heard them say "do we have to deal with a dirty Muslim". I turned to them and said no, you can go to a local bank and get 2 percent higher. Give it a go, but don't treat him like crap ok? They glared at me but went on in his office. What a bunch of morons I live with here in OK.

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I saw something yesterday that really bothered me. (Original Post) redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 OP
How would you, or anyone, know his religion jberryhill Dec 2018 #1
No we were very open with him and he shared. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #2
BTW if you are a racist, he clearly looked middle eastern. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #3
Aren't you also assuming Moebym Dec 2018 #18
I asked a question jberryhill Dec 2018 #20
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #28
Beware the Chang'e 4. It's not a lunar mission, unless your backyard is on the moon. Marengo Dec 2018 #31
It really doesn't matter cannabis_flower Dec 2018 #33
Good for You! Decent Americans Need to Speak Up and Confront Blatant Bigotry. dlk Dec 2018 #4
Good for you for telling off those bigots. Ohiogal Dec 2018 #5
Who says Oklahoma is OK? woofless Dec 2018 #6
Well it isn't but it is home for us. We try to make the best of it. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #7
Same here in Alabama. trof Dec 2018 #15
Hugs we know how it is. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #16
Its hard to change minds with the history that Oklahoma has about equality of Black demosincebirth Dec 2018 #40
Yes. it is a terrifying place to be sure. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #41
Did you read my edit? demosincebirth Dec 2018 #46
No I didn't see it, sorry I don't see the church going population here in a good light. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #47
they may be the exception. I don't know what church either, but I'm sure it was a demosincebirth Dec 2018 #49
The vast majority of Oklahoman's belong to a Baptist or very conservative Christian Church. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #50
If it's any consolation, morons are everywhere. StarryNite Dec 2018 #8
There are a lot more of them here, I can attest to that. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #9
It should be automatic to treat all people with kindness and respect True Dough Dec 2018 #10
I embarrassed my husband, but I don't care, I am tired of remaining silent. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #11
There is always some jerk around to say something about people apkhgp Dec 2018 #12
..... ailsagirl Dec 2018 #13
Doing the right thing is hard. I applaud you, redstatebluegirl. spicysista Dec 2018 #14
Yes. I don't recall the exact wording, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #23
The quote is a subject of dispute TwistOneUp Dec 2018 #29
I'm aware that it's been attributed to various people. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #35
You did the exact right thing by speaking up! I think you were very nice actually...I could learn UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #17
as a redstate blue guy, I applaud you. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #19
Brainwashed Racist Morons. Cha Dec 2018 #22
Good for you for speaking up about it. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #24
People like that make me sick ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #25
Thank-you for correcting the Okie morons vlyons Dec 2018 #26
How did they know he was Muslim? cwydro Dec 2018 #27
And that's why they are called deplorables. Initech Dec 2018 #30
People who have never lived here in OK Runningdawg Dec 2018 #32
Lol. Tipperary Dec 2018 #34
I'm thinking about selling waders. pintobean Dec 2018 #37
good idea! Tipperary Dec 2018 #38
Like I said at the beginning if you don't live in OK you won't get it Runningdawg Dec 2018 #56
I love this story, I hate to say it but after a number of years living in OK redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #42
Dear Penthouse...uh, I mean DU, you won't believe what happened to me! Marengo Dec 2018 #48
Awesome move on the cashier who called for an emergency break. Knew dealing with those 2 lunasun Dec 2018 #54
Should have taken a pic....all these "goober"posts yet I never see a picture AncientGeezer Dec 2018 #36
Gee I should have asked him to pose for a picture so I could show you...nope. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #43
Most likely the poster was referring to the dual MAGA hat couple. Tipperary Dec 2018 #44
Don't think so he mentioned "how did I know he was Muslim". redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #45
Most dealerships have websites with pics of their employees. cwydro Dec 2018 #52
Brings back memories tiptonic Dec 2018 #39
wow. BIGOTs! Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #51
Good on you for speaking up against hate talk. lunasun Dec 2018 #53
Their lives must be miserable. I can't imagine having so little ecstatic Dec 2018 #55
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. How would you, or anyone, know his religion
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:29 PM
Dec 2018

I gather you were making some sort of an assumption on the basis of his name, accent, or something else? If so, what?

How do you know the religion of people with whom you are doing business?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
2. No we were very open with him and he shared.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:33 PM
Dec 2018

My husband told him it must be difficult dealing with the public here and he said "I do my best".

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
3. BTW if you are a racist, he clearly looked middle eastern.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:34 PM
Dec 2018

We shared that our best friends were from Iraq and he opened up.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. I asked a question
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:19 PM
Dec 2018

Generally speaking, if one is asking a question, one is seeking an answer. I was curious to know how one would know the religion of someone with whom one is doing business. I do business with a lot of people around the world, and the subject doesn’t often come up.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #20)

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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
33. It really doesn't matter
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:30 PM
Dec 2018

The ignorant couple who said they didn't want to deal with a Muslem assumed he was a Muslim based on something. For all they knew he could be a Lebonese Christian. It's a stupid and prejudiced assumption to make

demosincebirth

(12,540 posts)
40. Its hard to change minds with the history that Oklahoma has about equality of Black
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:24 PM
Dec 2018

people. Anybody ever read about Greenwood?

My wife's family has lived in Wagoner since the beginning of time. All her Aunts (5) have been diehard Dems ever since
I met them. Last one died a coupe of years ago at the ripe old age of 93. I got along great with all of them. And they were church-going
ladies, but certainly no Prudes...that's what I mostly liked about them

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
50. The vast majority of Oklahoman's belong to a Baptist or very conservative Christian Church.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:56 PM
Dec 2018

Moderates in terms of religion are few and far between.

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
10. It should be automatic to treat all people with kindness and respect
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:02 PM
Dec 2018

regardless of nationality. Judge others based on their words and actions, not the way they look.

How can that not be understood by all in 2018? Glad you gave those morons a verbal slap, redstatebluegirl!

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
12. There is always some jerk around to say something about people
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:34 PM
Dec 2018

Opinionated and will always let people know about it. No matter how idiotic they are.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
14. Doing the right thing is hard. I applaud you, redstatebluegirl.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:49 PM
Dec 2018

Many people still haven't realized that inaction is still an action. Thank you for standing up! You rock!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
23. Yes. I don't recall the exact wording,
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:44 PM
Dec 2018

but it goes something like: All that it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to remain silent.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
29. The quote is a subject of dispute
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:42 PM
Dec 2018

Allegedly, Burke once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”

The quote is a subject of controversy. See here.

Otoh, the many variations all seem to be true, imho.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
17. You did the exact right thing by speaking up! I think you were very nice actually...I could learn
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:57 PM
Dec 2018

a thing or two from you.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Good for you for speaking up about it.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:03 PM
Dec 2018

In my local community group, some of the posters were discussing whether a closed convenience store would be re-opening, and who might open it up again. Someone then posted "well, if it's a foreigner who opens it, we shouldn't go there. Besides, they send their money out of the country, anyway." But mainly it was the refusal to do business with a "foreigner" that was her point.

In our area, most of the foreigners are Middle Easterners who speak with an accent, like Pakistanis. Some wear turbans. More than a few open convenience stores and hire other Middle Easterners to work in them. So I'm pretty sure these are the so-called foreigners she is referring to. We have a few first generation Hispanics, but they generally do manual labor.

My stepmother, who is elderly, got a gun a few years ago, to protect herself against a home invasion by Muslims or A-rabs, she said.

I'm in Louisiana, so I assume the environment is similar to that of Oklahoma, as far as bigotry against so-called foreigners or Muslims, or those who are perceived as such by the redneck whites. Most are leery of who they think are foreigners or Muslims, but don't outright insult them or refuse to frequent their stores. But some feel free to do so.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
25. People like that make me sick
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:12 PM
Dec 2018

I'm glad you said something. It probably didn't change their minds one little bit, but at least they know not everyone lives in their closed minded world.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
26. Thank-you for correcting the Okie morons
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:22 PM
Dec 2018

I used to live in East Texas, the belt buckle of the Bible belt, and encountered more than few of such comments.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
27. How did they know he was Muslim?
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:14 PM
Dec 2018

You say “clearly middle eastern”.

How many Americans can tell apart someone from India or Pakistan from an Iranian? An Iraqi?

Cool story.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
32. People who have never lived here in OK
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:08 PM
Dec 2018

don't really get it. A week ago I was on a rare trip to wal-mart. The line for the only human cashier was long, but I don't do bots. Up rolls 2 Trumpers in their motorized carts, complete with MAGA hats. The man had on a Hillary for Prison T-shirt. The whole time we wait, these 2 complain to each other LOUDLY about every issue they could think of. In between subjects they complained about the speed of the cashier, but conceded, at least he was white. They complained that no one offered 2 obviously handicapped people in line their spot and that the liberals wanted all handicapped/conservative/God-fearing patriots dead. They complained the line was slow because of all the people trying to by beer with food stamps.
By the time I got near the cashier I could see him rolling his eyes. Then he did the unexpected. He picked up his courtesy phone and told his manager, he was in need of an emergency bathroom break. Right away a new cashier arrived to take his place. The new cashier is best described as gender-fluid. Well that was THE. LAST. STRAW.
I am not even going to attempt to describe the level of hate that consumed these two. But they certainly had the attention of most everyone in the front of the store, including the manager and security guard.
Then (praise Jesus!) a miracle happened. They got up out of their carts, left their food and walked out the door!!!
The cashier never lost her smile, never even slowed down. Kudos to Walmart for hiring her and bravo for her grace under pressure.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
42. I love this story, I hate to say it but after a number of years living in OK
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:29 PM
Dec 2018

this is very familiar. They are not shy about their hate down here, and then they all head to the Baptist Church on Sunday. Makes me nuts.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
54. Awesome move on the cashier who called for an emergency break. Knew dealing with those 2
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:51 PM
Dec 2018

would make him puke.
Are you saying rather than check out with the replaced cashier they abandoned their order instead after shopping and waiting in line?
If so , who does that inconvenience??
Stupid and deplorable

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
36. Should have taken a pic....all these "goober"posts yet I never see a picture
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:47 PM
Dec 2018

of the alleged "goobs" ...and as asked above..how did you know.."was a young Muslim man"?
An assumption?

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
43. Gee I should have asked him to pose for a picture so I could show you...nope.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:32 PM
Dec 2018

He told us during our conversation, when he realized we were friendly, that he and his wife had had some issues since coming to OKC due to their religion. Also, his prayer rug was rolled up in the corner of his office. But next time I will ask for a picture for you.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
44. Most likely the poster was referring to the dual MAGA hat couple.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:37 PM
Dec 2018

Riding scooters, with a Hillary for prison T-shirt, who supposedly thought people can buy beer with food stamps.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
39. Brings back memories
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:17 PM
Dec 2018

That brings back memories, of my 6 yrs of living north of Dallas. Not far from the OK border. I was transferred there for work. We were counting the days, until we could leave. Just the willful, ignorance and arrogance, was sometimes over whelming.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
55. Their lives must be miserable. I can't imagine having so little
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:29 PM
Dec 2018

going for myself (mentally, emotionally, and intellectually).

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