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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's time for Democrats to call for the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes.
Republicans whine about the debt and the deficit but continue to support more and more taxcuts for the wealthy. They want their cake and eat it too.
They prefer to cut programs that help the most needy in our society to give more and more to the wealthiest. It is time to stop it. We should not throw our children or the needy under the bus just so we can give another taxcut to Mitt Romney and his ilk. It is time for them to pay their fair share.
Our country has made it possible for them to be millionaires and billionaires and they should not hide their money in foreign banks and secret accounts to keep from paying their fair share of taxes. They have not worked a billion times harder than the person that has nothing. They are not a million times smarter than a poor working person. It's time to stop the nonsense.
If we want to keep Medicare and the world's strongest military, then we are going to have to pay for it. There can be no more wars off the books.
There is no need to ask old people to pay more in Medicare. There is no need to cut education. There is no need to cut food stamps for the poor. We can afford these minimal programs for our people. We simply have to ask the greedy to pay a little more in taxes.
jody
(26,624 posts)Your proposal would be partially solved.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)They will both pay less in taxes if the law permits it. What we need is a Congress with a backbone and the willingness to speak out, without fear of the next election.
jody
(26,624 posts)voters to elect a congress that will pass laws increasing taxes apparently for various social or welfare programs.
OK but couldn't our Wealthy Democratic Elite set an example by paying their fair share?
Of course I have no idea what a Fair Share is!
kentuck
(111,110 posts)A fair share is whatever it takes to have a healthy and equitable society. That means a progressive tax system that does not stop at 13 or 18%. I can assure you that that is not a "fair share". It's not realistic to expect one or two people to pay more as an example for everyone else if it is not part of our tax laws.
jody
(26,624 posts)without government controls on population growth.
If you disagree, please cite the economic research supporting your position so I can study it.
Thanks jody
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Romney paid 13.6% tax rate in 2010. He may have paid much less or maybe even nothing for several years previous. Do you think that is fair and equitable? That's a simple question that requires no further research.
jody
(26,624 posts)agree.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Mitt Romney is not the only sample size one. There are many examples where corporations and individuals pay no income taxes. If we are talking fairness and equity, I don't know how anyone can argue your point.
jody
(26,624 posts)know such research does not exist so I'll end my side of this delightful exchange.
Have a great day. jody
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Salviati
(6,009 posts)Not decisions that individuals make.
Take your republican talking point elsewhere.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)This whole austerity shit is planned and being implemented all over the world. Taking jobs to other countries isn't really helping those countries either. But they're opening markets that have billions of people, as opposed to just a mere 300 million Americans. We're nothing more than a drop in the bucket as customers. Not when India and China have billions of people between them. They don't need us at all.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)And another myth is that we have some sort of super social safety net in this country that borders on European socialism. We really have a very minimal safety net. We have way too many homeless people, jobless people, hungry people, uneducated people, etc that we should be using our taxes for, rather than weapons of war and corporate imperialism.
jody
(26,624 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)Although Greece may not be doing so well right now? They had a very liberal socialistic safety net for many years. I think that was recently dealt a severe if not deadly blow by their financial situation.
jody
(26,624 posts)China.
If those ideals of a socialist state don't work and our ideal of a capitalist state doesn't work, what do you propose?
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)we done been needing to eat these motherfuckers and start invading their enclaves with torches and pitchforks.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I tend to avoid the phrase myself. I'd rather argue that the wealthy need to pay more in taxes, because we have a huge deficit and the rich can afford to pay more. Whether it's "fair" or not is kind of a secondary issue to me.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Granted.