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DetlefK

(16,423 posts) Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:31 AM Dec 2018

Mueller's secretive new grand-jury witness is a foreign company.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/new-details-emerge-secret-grand-jury-case-tied-mueller-not-anyone-expected/

“Remember that mystery grand jury subpoena case argued last week in the DC Circuit?” Tillman said in a tweet. “A decision is out, and it’s public, sort of — it’s about a company (unnamed) owned by a country (unnamed). Court upheld the denial of a motion to quash the subpoena.”

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The grand jury in question has subpoenaed information from the foreign company, but the country has claimed that it is immune from such a subpoena and that it would violate the country’s own laws. The D.C. court, however, disagreed — and the court held the company in contempt for failing to comply. The corporation is continuing to appeal the case.

There is no information on who this unnamed foreign company is, but my bet is on either Deutsche Bank (because money-laundering) or the russian Alfabank (because Trump Tower Moscow).

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Mueller's secretive new grand-jury witness is a foreign company. (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2018 OP

someone mentioned in another thread that it's probably not Deutsche Bank since it's not state owned JI7 Dec 2018 #1

China was mentioned numerous times on MSNBC last night. aeromanKC Dec 2018 #2

If its the Russian bank, the guy who delivers the documents to the Muller, better not drink no tea. 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #3

Bank of Cypress KLRIQ2 Dec 2018 #4

If it's Cypress underpants Dec 2018 #6

Paging Wilbur Ross C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #14

Yes. What is funny though, still, is NONE of this would matter Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #17

Where do they find all these crooks and traitors? C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #19

Manafort's Cyprus banks already cooperated under existing international AML agreements nt Princess Turandot Dec 2018 #8

To previous requests... KLRIQ2 Dec 2018 #15

Welcome to DU NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #11

Thank you, returning longtime DUer... KLRIQ2 Dec 2018 #16

Welcome back then NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #18

We are assuming it is a bank. kentuck Dec 2018 #5

Wikileaks is next to impossible to contact, even for lawyers: DetlefK Dec 2018 #9

However, the entity is *owned by a country* per the OP. It's not Wikileaks. nt Princess Turandot Dec 2018 #10

The Embassy housing Assange is owned by a "country". kentuck Dec 2018 #13

If it was Alfabank, I would have thought this would be much further along by now. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #7

It's state owned, so it's not Deutsche Bank. Either Gazprom or (more likely) a sovereign wealth fund Recursion Dec 2018 #12

JI7

(89,269 posts)

1. someone mentioned in another thread that it's probably not Deutsche Bank since it's not state owned

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:37 AM

Dec 2018

and more likely to be Alfabank which would be controlled by the state.

aeromanKC

(3,327 posts)

2. China was mentioned numerous times on MSNBC last night.

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:47 AM

Dec 2018

Bank of China. But so to were Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and UAE I believe.

Either way, I've got my popcorn ready!!

3Hotdogs

(12,408 posts)

3. If its the Russian bank, the guy who delivers the documents to the Muller, better not drink no tea.

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:50 AM

Dec 2018

KLRIQ2

(59 posts)

4. Bank of Cypress

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:00 AM

Dec 2018

It is furtherance of the Manafort money trail, as well as the beginnings of the Wilbur Ross situation.

underpants

(182,880 posts)

6. If it's Cypress

Reply to KLRIQ2 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:21 AM

Dec 2018

Then this is about to get really interesting

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)

14. Paging Wilbur Ross

Reply to underpants (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:42 AM

Dec 2018

It would appear all the Russian money went through him at the Bank of Cyprus. Alfa Bank and Deutsche Bank are usual suspects as well.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)

17. Yes. What is funny though, still, is NONE of this would matter

Reply to C_U_L8R (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:21 PM

Dec 2018

unless we have honest jurists.

Soon, with traitors and criminals packing the courts, we wont have any, but at the moment we do.

Will the 35% of the country who are in love with the traitor care if they are shown he steals directly from their pockets? No, they will believe it is for their own good.

Amazing.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)

19. Where do they find all these crooks and traitors?

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:09 PM

Dec 2018

Who knew there were so many awful shitheads among us. Pass the disinfectant.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)

8. Manafort's Cyprus banks already cooperated under existing international AML agreements nt

Reply to KLRIQ2 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:29 AM

Dec 2018

KLRIQ2

(59 posts)

15. To previous requests...

Reply to Princess Turandot (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:54 AM

Dec 2018

But this appears to be a Sovereignty challenge about subpoenas of the bank itself, not an account holder.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)

11. Welcome to DU

Reply to KLRIQ2 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:39 AM

Dec 2018

That would be an interesting turn. I was thinking Deutsche Bank

KLRIQ2

(59 posts)

16. Thank you, returning longtime DUer...

Reply to NewJeffCT (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:20 AM

Dec 2018

from back pre President Obama days, account hosed in the hack, then walked away from it all after the election results.

Started lurking again in the spring, I guess, and recently started feeling like talking again, now that there feels like there is a horizon to look at again, with Mr Mueller's meticulous work finally becoming visible and seeing the light of day.

As to Deutsche Bank we can see from the filing that the subpoenas were being challenged under Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act which means the corporation was government owned or operated which rules out Deutsche Bank.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)

18. Welcome back then

Reply to KLRIQ2 (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:32 PM

Dec 2018

thanks for your insight

kentuck

(111,110 posts)

5. We are assuming it is a bank.

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:07 AM

Dec 2018

I think it was Wikileaks and Julian Assange that Mueller was trying to extradite or get the information from for his investigation?

He was also the link to a possible connection to Roger Stone.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

9. Wikileaks is next to impossible to contact, even for lawyers:

Reply to kentuck (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:33 AM

Dec 2018

The DNC is currently suing Wikileaks. There was no way to mail the documents to Wikileaks to inform them that they are being sued AND to get confirmation from Wikileaks that they actually received the documents.

After several futile attempts to reach Wikileaks, a judge gave the DNC-lawyers the permission to simply post the documents on Twitter with an "@Wikileaks" because that is the only way to know for sure that Wikileaks got the documents.

Wikileaks was all giddy about the prospect of being sued and getting discovery in DNC-files... until they realized that the DNC has discovery-rights to Wikileaks-files.