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regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts) Thu Dec 20, 2018, 11:58 PM Dec 2018

So, are we all confident Senate Dems will hold firm tomorrow?

I wish I was. I could just see a few “moderates,” scared of taking the blame for something as “unthinkable” as a shutdown, breaking ranks to vote for cloture. Sure, they’d then vote against the actual measure, but it would pass on Republican votes alone. Trump gets his Wall (and even more adoration from his base), and Democrats get to complain about it for the next two years.

I’m really, really hoping Schumer is willing and able to hold a solid party line on this one.

Will Democrats keep the border wall funding from passing the Senate?

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So, are we all confident Senate Dems will hold firm tomorrow? (Original Post) regnaD kciN Dec 2018 OP

It needs 60 votes to pass. onecaliberal Dec 2018 #1

It needs 60 votes to gain cloture (end debate)... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #3

It has to pass a 60 vote hurdle to get a vote. It's been reported many R senators have already left onecaliberal Dec 2018 #4

But that "hurdle" is one way to finesse the issue... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #8

I have questioned Schumer's spine in the past MontanaMama Dec 2018 #2

Nuclear option Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2018 #5

That can't happen tomorrow EffieBlack Dec 2018 #6

Maybe they lose Manchin. All the other moderates lost, so they have zero interest in Hassler Dec 2018 #7

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)

1. It needs 60 votes to pass.

Reply to regnaD kciN (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:01 AM

Dec 2018

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)

3. It needs 60 votes to gain cloture (end debate)...

Reply to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:04 AM

Dec 2018

Once that happens, the bill itself only needs 50 + Pence to pass.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)

4. It has to pass a 60 vote hurdle to get a vote. It's been reported many R senators have already left

Reply to regnaD kciN (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:05 AM

Dec 2018

For the holiday.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)

8. But that "hurdle" is one way to finesse the issue...

Reply to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

Dec 2018

Join the Republicans to shut off debate, then vote against the resulting bill itself. That way, it passes, and “moderates” can still claim “I opposed the border wall,” even though they were crucial in helping enable it.