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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTime to dust off the 25th Amendment......
When the thing in the White House has gone psychotic/over-the-wall nuts, the only meaningful remedy is for the VP & Cabinet to declare him unable to perform his duties, and put him out.The only question is, do we have enough Mattises in the Cabinet to do it? Sadly for our country, I fear the answer is no.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)So put the 25th out of your mind.
Never happen.
WarWhatIsItGoodFor
(9 posts)One its bar is higher than impeachment, but it also puts Mike Pence in power under the auspice that Donald Trump is sick vs. hes corrupt.
Thats a major difference. As to the troop withdrawal, I support that over indefinite war in Syria and Afghanistan.
The best remedy is beating Trump in 2020. I want Trump and Pence both gone. Impeachment should not be taken off the table just for the sake of comity, but we also know 20 Republican Senators, and Joe Manchin have to support conviction. Arguably, the troop withdrawal may spurn that revolt in the GOP, but just because I like the schaedenfraude doesnt mean I oppose withdrawing troops.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The Tealeaves are leaning that way, period. Which is why Pence is quiet and the media spin is saying a intervention will likely take place:
25th Amendment - Section 4:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
BigmanPigman
(51,603 posts)Everyday is Christmas for those corrupt bastards. I read a long but good article about a year ago and it made some excellent points.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/the-madness-of-donald-trump-197853/